US to execute 74 year old
05 August 2004, 01:20 PM
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US to execute 74 year old
Stories in the papers about this guy http://www.ccadp.org/jameshubbard.htm. Has spent longer in jail on death row than you would for murder in this country, his execution is scheduled for today.
Quite amazing for a civilised country.
Quite amazing for a civilised country.
05 August 2004, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MattW
Stories in the papers about this guy http://www.ccadp.org/jameshubbard.htm. Has spent longer in jail on death row than you would for murder in this country, his execution is scheduled for today.
Quite amazing for a civilised country.
Quite amazing for a civilised country.
Cheers
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05 August 2004, 02:09 PM
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I'm not sure of the slant you've put on this by emphasising the man's age (74).
That, in itself, is no reason to pity. A person who murders at any age is a murderer, and should pay the price.
The point in this case, is that his conviction is not certain. THAT is what the issue is, and not his age.
That, in itself, is no reason to pity. A person who murders at any age is a murderer, and should pay the price.
The point in this case, is that his conviction is not certain. THAT is what the issue is, and not his age.
05 August 2004, 02:12 PM
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The slant I was trying to show was he has spent 27 years in jail, and then will be executed. If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released.
05 August 2004, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MattW
The slant I was trying to show was he has spent 27 years in jail, and then will be executed. If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released.
05 August 2004, 02:24 PM
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That website is actually quite sad. I just read through a few details of the inmates and some of them seem intelligent and like nice people!!
I know that you are not told what they did, but the thought of being put to death is actually repulsive to me.
I know that you are not told what they did, but the thought of being put to death is actually repulsive to me.
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05 August 2004, 02:29 PM
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05 August 2004, 02:43 PM
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"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
05 August 2004, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarebabes
That website is actually quite sad. I just read through a few details of the inmates and some of them seem intelligent and like nice people!!
05 August 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
05 August 2004, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by angrynorth
It has nothing to do with Britain. Its just the daily "bash the dumb yanks" thread.
not at all
I don't believe in the Death Penalty and find it all very sad, read upsetting.
05 August 2004, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
05 August 2004, 03:14 PM
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You break the law, you face the punishment.
It's like complaining that speed cameras are unfair. If you go past one faster than the speed limit, you broke the law - face the punishment.
You know what the law is and you know the penalties for breaking it.
It's like complaining that speed cameras are unfair. If you go past one faster than the speed limit, you broke the law - face the punishment.
You know what the law is and you know the penalties for breaking it.
05 August 2004, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MattW
I don't believe in the Death Penalty and find it all very sad, read upsetting.
What % of them support the death penalty, as opposed to the majority of us who have no experience of such grief....
Do you think YOU would change your view on capital punishment if affected by murder in your own life?
05 August 2004, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by angrynorth
It has nothing to do with Britain. Its just the daily "bash the dumb yanks" thread.
05 August 2004, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggers
Yeah the SN opinion of the US as the dumbest nation on earth not to mention the most evil usually lasts until they want somewhere good to go on holiday or somewhere to buy a cheap camera from.
05 August 2004, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggers
Yeah the SN opinion of the US as the dumbest nation on earth not to mention the most evil usually lasts until they want somewhere good to go on holiday or somewhere to buy a cheap camera from.
. They'll blow up the world sooner or later!Geezer
05 August 2004, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MattW
Is that your opinion then???
I work in the US for a fair proportion of the year and have many American friends. Like a few others I get fed up with the serial bashing the American nation gets on SN and in the UK in general especially when you consider the UK population is not exactly perfect (understatement of the century
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05 August 2004, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggers
By the construction of my sentence (notably use of the word 'they') I would have thought it would be fairly obvious that it is not my opinion.
I work in the US for a fair proportion of the year and have many American friends. Like a few others I get fed up with the serial bashing the American nation gets on SN and in the UK in general especially when you consider the UK population is not exactly perfect (understatement of the century ).
tiggers.
I work in the US for a fair proportion of the year and have many American friends. Like a few others I get fed up with the serial bashing the American nation gets on SN and in the UK in general especially when you consider the UK population is not exactly perfect (understatement of the century
).tiggers.
Furthermore, a criticism levelled at a number(not all) of American states judicary system, hardly translates into serial bashing.
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Originally Posted by tiggers
By the construction of my sentence (notably use of the word 'they') I would have thought it would be fairly obvious that it is not my opinion.
I work in the US for a fair proportion of the year and have many American friends. Like a few others I get fed up with the serial bashing the American nation gets on SN and in the UK in general especially when you consider the UK population is not exactly perfect (understatement of the century ).
tiggers.
I work in the US for a fair proportion of the year and have many American friends. Like a few others I get fed up with the serial bashing the American nation gets on SN and in the UK in general especially when you consider the UK population is not exactly perfect (understatement of the century
).tiggers.
This really pisses me off too. Here in the UK it its very fashionable to attack the US in general and if you don't follow the crowd with this then you must be below average intelligence.
I deal with this everyday too, on just about the largest scale possible. I work for a notoriously anti-American, liberal newspaper, so my views don't fit in well with any of my colleagues, but I don't see myself changing them anytime soon. After-all, I would be a huge hypocrite if I did, with my American computer, MP3 player, American design objects, music, films, books...
In reality its a great distraction from the real problems that are OUR problems here in the UK.
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Originally Posted by angrynorth
Did I write that or you?
This really pisses me off too. Here in the UK it its very fashionable to attack the US in general and if you don't follow the crowd with this then you must be below average intelligence.
I deal with this everyday too, on just about the largest scale possible. I work for a notoriously anti-American, liberal newspaper, so my views don't fit in well with any of my colleagues, but I don't see myself changing them anytime soon. After-all, I would be a huge hypocrite if I did, with my American computer, MP3 player, American design objects, music, films, books...
In reality its a great distraction from the real problems that are OUR problems here in the UK.
This really pisses me off too. Here in the UK it its very fashionable to attack the US in general and if you don't follow the crowd with this then you must be below average intelligence.
I deal with this everyday too, on just about the largest scale possible. I work for a notoriously anti-American, liberal newspaper, so my views don't fit in well with any of my colleagues, but I don't see myself changing them anytime soon. After-all, I would be a huge hypocrite if I did, with my American computer, MP3 player, American design objects, music, films, books...
In reality its a great distraction from the real problems that are OUR problems here in the UK.
Cheers,
tiggers.
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Originally Posted by MattW
Furthermore, a criticism levelled at a number(not all) of American states judicary system, hardly translates into serial bashing.
tiggers.
06 August 2004, 10:03 AM
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"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
Good point. That makes it ok then."
Where am I saying that makes it okay exactly? Although I do think it's okay, but that's besides the point. I was asking why you were comparing it to being in the UK? He wasn't in the UK when he committed the crime, so why compare it to someone who did?
It's a bit like moaning that you got caught speeding on an American highway doing 70 in a 55 limit. Would you expect to turn round and say if I'd of been in Britain then I wouldn't of been punished at all? A lot less drastic though, obvisouly.
Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
Good point. That makes it ok then."
Where am I saying that makes it okay exactly? Although I do think it's okay, but that's besides the point. I was asking why you were comparing it to being in the UK? He wasn't in the UK when he committed the crime, so why compare it to someone who did?
It's a bit like moaning that you got caught speeding on an American highway doing 70 in a 55 limit. Would you expect to turn round and say if I'd of been in Britain then I wouldn't of been punished at all? A lot less drastic though, obvisouly.
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Originally Posted by Sub97
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
Good point. That makes it ok then."
Where am I saying that makes it okay exactly? Although I do think it's okay, but that's besides the point. I was asking why you were comparing it to being in the UK? He wasn't in the UK when he committed the crime, so why compare it to someone who did?
It's a bit like moaning that you got caught speeding on an American highway doing 70 in a 55 limit. Would you expect to turn round and say if I'd of been in Britain then I wouldn't of been punished at all? A lot less drastic though, obvisouly.
Originally Posted by Sub97
"If he were in the UK it is likely he will have served his sentence and been released."
I dont understand what it has to do with Britain though? He committed the crime in America, so he has to be punished by their laws.
Good point. That makes it ok then."
Where am I saying that makes it okay exactly? Although I do think it's okay, but that's besides the point. I was asking why you were comparing it to being in the UK? He wasn't in the UK when he committed the crime, so why compare it to someone who did?
It's a bit like moaning that you got caught speeding on an American highway doing 70 in a 55 limit. Would you expect to turn round and say if I'd of been in Britain then I wouldn't of been punished at all? A lot less drastic though, obvisouly.
Personally, there are a lot of laws I disagree with. Not saying I am right and the law is wrong, but simply that I disagree. After all, I'm entitled to my opinion, right?
06 August 2004, 11:15 AM
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I was commenting more on the morallity of it rather than the law itself. I was trying to point out, albeit sarcastically, that just because it is law does not necessarily mean it is right and just. IMHO.
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Originally Posted by MattW
I was commenting more on the morallity of it rather than the law itself. I was trying to point out, albeit sarcastically, that just because it is law does not necessarily mean it is right and just. IMHO.