Now this is big brother....
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/03/text_punk/
Police slap cuffs on Punk SMSer
By Lucy Sherriff
Published Thursday 3rd June 2004 08:38 GMT
A tech worker was arrested yesterday after a text message he sent was intercepted and traced back to his phone.
In a scene reminiscent of Neo's first escape from Agent Smith, Special Branch officers slapped the cuffs on Mike Devine at his office in Bristol yesterday, and took him away for questioning.
Devine, who plays in a Clash tribute band in his spare time, had sent a message containing lyrics from The Clash's Tommy Gun to his lead singer who had forgotten the words to the song.
According to The Sun, the message read:
"How about this for Tommy Gun? OK - SO LET'S AGREE ABOUT THE PRICE AND MAKE IT ONE JET AIRLINER AND TEN PRISONERS"
The arrest has prompted speculation about how the message was intercepted. Police maintain that Devine's message went astray. They say he actually sent it to a woman in Bristol by mistake and it was she who alerted police to the content.
However, The Sun also quotes Chris Dobson, a terrorism expert, as saying that the interception clearly shows that GCHQ is monitoring all vocal and textual mobile phone traffic.
Devine himself is slightly bemused by the incident. He said: "It hadn't even occurred to me that it might look a bit dodgy. It was quite nerve wracking for Special Branch to come looking for you at work. I was thinking, Oh God, what have I done?"
The police questioned Devine about his phone, and asked if he had used it to send texts at the end of April. They showed him a print out of the text and asked him to confirm that he had sent it. "I said, 'That's the lyrics from Tommy Gun. I'm in a tribute band'," Devine said.
Fortunately, once he explained that the message was not part of a terrorist plot, the police accepted his explanation and let him go, but not before suggesting to Devine that he be careful about where he sent such messages in future. ®
Police slap cuffs on Punk SMSer
By Lucy Sherriff
Published Thursday 3rd June 2004 08:38 GMT
A tech worker was arrested yesterday after a text message he sent was intercepted and traced back to his phone.
In a scene reminiscent of Neo's first escape from Agent Smith, Special Branch officers slapped the cuffs on Mike Devine at his office in Bristol yesterday, and took him away for questioning.
Devine, who plays in a Clash tribute band in his spare time, had sent a message containing lyrics from The Clash's Tommy Gun to his lead singer who had forgotten the words to the song.
According to The Sun, the message read:
"How about this for Tommy Gun? OK - SO LET'S AGREE ABOUT THE PRICE AND MAKE IT ONE JET AIRLINER AND TEN PRISONERS"
The arrest has prompted speculation about how the message was intercepted. Police maintain that Devine's message went astray. They say he actually sent it to a woman in Bristol by mistake and it was she who alerted police to the content.
However, The Sun also quotes Chris Dobson, a terrorism expert, as saying that the interception clearly shows that GCHQ is monitoring all vocal and textual mobile phone traffic.
Devine himself is slightly bemused by the incident. He said: "It hadn't even occurred to me that it might look a bit dodgy. It was quite nerve wracking for Special Branch to come looking for you at work. I was thinking, Oh God, what have I done?"
The police questioned Devine about his phone, and asked if he had used it to send texts at the end of April. They showed him a print out of the text and asked him to confirm that he had sent it. "I said, 'That's the lyrics from Tommy Gun. I'm in a tribute band'," Devine said.
Fortunately, once he explained that the message was not part of a terrorist plot, the police accepted his explanation and let him go, but not before suggesting to Devine that he be careful about where he sent such messages in future. ®
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Mmm.... Food for thought, eh.
Why don't we all send a copy of this same text message to our friends & family. And see who's the first to be arrested and carted off by the CIA for questioning....
Why don't we all send a copy of this same text message to our friends & family. And see who's the first to be arrested and carted off by the CIA for questioning....
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Originally Posted by djuk
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/03/text_punk/
They say he actually sent it to a woman in Bristol by mistake and it was she who alerted police to the content.
However, The Sun also quotes Chris Dobson, a terrorism expert, as saying that the interception clearly shows that GCHQ is monitoring all vocal and textual mobile phone traffic.
They say he actually sent it to a woman in Bristol by mistake and it was she who alerted police to the content.
However, The Sun also quotes Chris Dobson, a terrorism expert, as saying that the interception clearly shows that GCHQ is monitoring all vocal and textual mobile phone traffic.
Don't you just love the accurate reporting of the Sun "Britains Favourite Newspaper"
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Yawn....
its been common knowledge that all radio & phone transmissions have been
monitored for some considerable time.
Just as all the emails you send at work, have to be kept for a certain length of time!!
where have you all been whilst this hoo haa has been going on?????
the crux of the arguement was that the royal mail are not allowed to open, or keep copys of letters, but all emails and phone calls are monitored!!!!
Given some of the comments that you fire off about people, i,m surprised that the mods ar,nt slapping legs...
given that you cannot name and shame etc, refer to disfunctional members of the public etc!!
big brother has been watching!!!
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its been common knowledge that all radio & phone transmissions have been
monitored for some considerable time.
Just as all the emails you send at work, have to be kept for a certain length of time!!
where have you all been whilst this hoo haa has been going on?????
the crux of the arguement was that the royal mail are not allowed to open, or keep copys of letters, but all emails and phone calls are monitored!!!!
Given some of the comments that you fire off about people, i,m surprised that the mods ar,nt slapping legs...
given that you cannot name and shame etc, refer to disfunctional members of the public etc!!
big brother has been watching!!!
tarm
(fools BB)
Mart
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I don't know if it is still the case but a long time back when only computer scientists were into such things it was believed that it was actually the Americans who monitored the communications traffic in the UK. At the time it was some get-out where it was illegal for the UK government to do it. The US had a site, can't remember where now but Yorkshire is in my mind, where they did it for the UK government so that the PM could stand up in parliment and say, hand on heart, that the government were not monitoring UK comms.
I suppose it works both ways, when they do it we complain, when there is a terrorist attack we ask why they weren't listening to the terrorists.
The fatal flaw in such things is that those engaged in illegal activity take precautions to ensure they are not monitored while the general public don't even know it is happening. The net result is that the government end up monitoring, and persecuting, the generally law abiding citizen while the criminal goes free. The coming "chip in your numberplate" system will suffer from exactly the same problems: it will track every movement of the general population and will be subverted by the criminal.
I suppose it works both ways, when they do it we complain, when there is a terrorist attack we ask why they weren't listening to the terrorists.
The fatal flaw in such things is that those engaged in illegal activity take precautions to ensure they are not monitored while the general public don't even know it is happening. The net result is that the government end up monitoring, and persecuting, the generally law abiding citizen while the criminal goes free. The coming "chip in your numberplate" system will suffer from exactly the same problems: it will track every movement of the general population and will be subverted by the criminal.
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
I don't know if it is still the case but a long time back when only computer scientists were into such things it was believed that it was actually the Americans who monitored the communications traffic in the UK. At the time it was some get-out where it was illegal for the UK government to do it. The US had a site, can't remember where now but Yorkshire is in my mind, where they did it for the UK government so that the PM could stand up in parliment and say, hand on heart, that the government were not monitoring UK comms.
I suppose it works both ways, when they do it we complain, when there is a terrorist attack we ask why they weren't listening to the terrorists.
The fatal flaw in such things is that those engaged in illegal activity take precautions to ensure they are not monitored while the general public don't even know it is happening. The net result is that the government end up monitoring, and persecuting, the generally law abiding citizen while the criminal goes free. The coming "chip in your numberplate" system will suffer from exactly the same problems: it will track every movement of the general population and will be subverted by the criminal.
I suppose it works both ways, when they do it we complain, when there is a terrorist attack we ask why they weren't listening to the terrorists.
The fatal flaw in such things is that those engaged in illegal activity take precautions to ensure they are not monitored while the general public don't even know it is happening. The net result is that the government end up monitoring, and persecuting, the generally law abiding citizen while the criminal goes free. The coming "chip in your numberplate" system will suffer from exactly the same problems: it will track every movement of the general population and will be subverted by the criminal.
Interesting, google throws up "Menwith Hill" in north yorkshire
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If his mate received the text, how did he 'accidentally' send it elsewhere as well? Digital communications networks are ****, they are fallible & they do re-route/divert/fck up.
Heres a little something I discovered a while ago & when you notice it you realise how often it happens. Where I used to work I used to make probably 40 phone calls per day, and I would say I got the BT message telling me that I had dialled the wrong number 15-20 times per week. Now my phone had a display on it telling me the number I had dialled, similar to a mobile, so, being slightly ****, I started looking to see which digit I had dialled wrong, and I noticed that there was nothing amiss about the dialled number, so I'd just press the redial button and I'd get through, obviously the digital exchange doesn't always hear what the phone is telling it. Then I started noticing that quite often the wrong numbers I was reaching were also not down to my dialling, but the equipment's inability to converse properly.
My point is, if it's doing this stuff that can be spotted, what's it doing that can't? How many times are you getting through to who you want, but also being connected to a number that's just a couple of digits different/transposed?
Big Brother IS out there. He's got a beard, he's blind & he's wants to set up his own little interpretation of the KGB.
Somewhere near fylingdales isn't it?
Heres a little something I discovered a while ago & when you notice it you realise how often it happens. Where I used to work I used to make probably 40 phone calls per day, and I would say I got the BT message telling me that I had dialled the wrong number 15-20 times per week. Now my phone had a display on it telling me the number I had dialled, similar to a mobile, so, being slightly ****, I started looking to see which digit I had dialled wrong, and I noticed that there was nothing amiss about the dialled number, so I'd just press the redial button and I'd get through, obviously the digital exchange doesn't always hear what the phone is telling it. Then I started noticing that quite often the wrong numbers I was reaching were also not down to my dialling, but the equipment's inability to converse properly.
My point is, if it's doing this stuff that can be spotted, what's it doing that can't? How many times are you getting through to who you want, but also being connected to a number that's just a couple of digits different/transposed?
Big Brother IS out there. He's got a beard, he's blind & he's wants to set up his own little interpretation of the KGB.
Originally Posted by hedgehog
At the time it was some get-out where it was illegal for the UK government to do it. The US had a site, can't remember where now but Yorkshire is in my mind, where they did it for the UK government so that the PM could stand up in parliment and say, hand on heart, that the government were not monitoring UK comms.
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Come on what a load of bull. Id say 99.9% of people when sending a text message will use a number thats in their fone book. i.e. search for dave... his number is programmed in the fone so how on earth could he have sent it to the wrong number....
understandable thats its slightly possible to missinterprete a DTMF tone and be diverted tot he wrong number but text messages are digital so there shouldnt be any problems
understandable thats its slightly possible to missinterprete a DTMF tone and be diverted tot he wrong number but text messages are digital so there shouldnt be any problems
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understandable thats its slightly possible to missinterprete a DTMF tone and be diverted tot he wrong number but text messages are digital so there shouldnt be any problems
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
With modern digital technology anything is possible. And if Bill Gates' wonderful company are in any way involved in the programming side, you have to concede, the possibilities of fck up's are limitless
Not even convinced a DTMF tone can be missinterpreted tbh, its a frequency and depending on the differences in tones its not going to be an easy mistake to make for a machine.
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And if Bill Gates' wonderful company are in any way involved in the programming side, you have to concede, the possibilities of fck up's are limitless
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My old man works for GCHQ (well until he retires in a few months time) and the most Ive ever gotten out of him (when pissed obviously) is that he does monitor mobile calls and transmissions. They have automated systems as you lot say for picking up key words, but they also cover phones of certain people visiting the country, politicians, people with terrorist links etc.
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