Freak

Last time i got caught short- this time i cant afford to- i do loadsa miles a week and am self employed (no petrol=no work=no money), so need some big cans or something to put in the garage as an emergency backup.
Probably illegal- but essential.

Where to buy/what to buy- the safer the better. Would rather have one or two larger ones than about 20 small cans full

Any links?

OllyK

You can store them in the back of the Police cell with you. Most definately illegal, and very very dangerous. You can probably get away with a 10 gallon gerry can on the grounds that it is used for fuelling your mower or the like, but the fact that without a Hazmat licence you can't legally carry it in your car to get it home is besides the point.

farmer1

So is it illegal to store removable fuel tanks from a speed boat full of fuel in the garage. If you have the boat on the drive?

Or does the fuel have to stay in the vehicle?

OllyK

Petrol and petrol vapour are extremely flammable and must be treated with respect. HSE knows of accidents involving petrol stored at home resulting in death or injury in previous years, and is concerned to avoid this happening when there may be a temptation to hoard petrol.

Filling stations operate under licence conditions which do not to allow drivers to dispense petrol into unsuitable containers, and the public should not attempt to do so.

Members of the public should only use either metal containers with a maximum capacity of 10 litres or approved plastic containers of a maximum 5 litres capacity. These containers should be designed for the purpose and must be fitted with a screw-cap or closure to prevent leakage of liquid or vapour.

Petrol must not be stored in living accommodation such as kitchens, living rooms and bedrooms or under staircases. Any storage place should be well away from living areas in case of fire and it should be secure, to protect against the possibility of vandalism or arson.

Petrol should be stored in no more than two 10 litre metal containers or two 5 litre plastic containers. They should be clearly labelled as to their contents - accidents have resulted when, for instance, cooking oil drums have been used to store petrol. People who need to decant petrol, e.g. from a container into a car, should follow basic health and safety precautions:-

- no smoking and no naked lights in the vicinity;
- decant in the open air
- not inside the garage;
- use a pouring spout or funnel; and
- if clothing is splashed with petrol, change it immediately.

Petrol vapour can cause irritation of the eyes, nose and throat, and exposure to high concentrations, particularly in confined spaces, can cause dizziness and unconsciousness. Most importantly, do not swallow petrol or attempt to use the mouth to siphon it, under any circumstances. This can result in petrol entering the lungs or stomach, which can be fatal.

Don't hoard large amounts of petrol in your vehicle or home - it's dangerous and it could be against the law.

People who have a genuine need to store large quantities of petrol need to obtain a licence or notify the appropriate authority. Further advice and information should be sought from the local Petroleum Licensing Authority.

ajm

The legal limit for domestic petrol storage is 20 litres I think, in an approved type container marked with the words "Petrol - Highly Flammable"

If you don't "mind" the legal limit and are planning on more than that, then I would suggest using metal jerry cans as this will at least minimise the chances that your impromptu fuel cache will turn your abode into a raging inferno!

Audi-Boy

Crime of the bleedin' century!

Brendan Hughes

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OllyK

farmer1 - I guess it would depend on the size of the tanks (assuming it is petrol and derv). It is all a bit of a grey area, but storage and transport of flamable products will come under HazMat but also general H&SE, COSH and goodness knows what else. Having more than a few gallons of petrol hanging about is not a great idea, even in proper containers. As a point of reference, the empty cans that have had petrol in are generally far more dangerous than the full ones as the petrol vapour is already mixed with air in the container. Gas expands more than liquid, so a nice heat source, gas expands, can ruptures and yuo can sit back and watch the mushroom!

InvisibleMan

the stations certainly didnt seem to give a toss what people did last time this went on

Freak

Thank you for the legal advice

Where can you buy metal jerry cans or 10 litre containers then?

OllyK

Local Army Navy store, or a camping shop like Yeomans. In the Midlands a place like Anchor are the best bet

ProperCharlie

why not take the kiddie's paddling pool down to the garage and fill that up? you could get a couple of weeks worth in there.

ajm

You could nip down to your local plant hire place and hire a fuel bowser

http://www.jarvieplant.co.uk/plant3.cfm?Item=18

farmer1

I work in a yacht chandlers and we sell 5 gallon metal jerry cans. Along with other plastic fuel containers

So I would assume if you live near any boaty shops they would sell them. If you live in land I haven't got a clue.

ChrisB

Just the job.

1100 litres at say 81.9ppl (UL at the Shell I went to this morning) =

ProperCharlie

note that the fuel bowser says: for safe transport of derv...

Freak

Might be a tad excessive

Boat shop- cheers.

OllyK

It says "...gas oil or derv safely"

As long as you have a HazMat licence to tow the damn thing! My towing rate is £100 p/hr plus expense

Iwan

When i went to the Welsh Rally last year i filled up 4 * 20L army jerry cans with diesel for my Land Rover (it had storage lockers for 4 cans built into the sides). The petrol station woman at Sainsburys nearly went mad!

By the time she came out to moan i'd already filled them so I just said, "Er sorry but i've already filled them now - can you turn the pump back on so i can fill the vehicles tank too?". She wasn't impressed, 80L in cans and about the same in the vehicle. Twas my biggest fuel bill for one fill-up ever!

I didn't make a habit of doing that, just i was going on a long trip and needed the extra mileage.

Iwan

ChrisB

So does derv have the same regulations as petrol?

OllyK

Similar, IIRC the limits before needing HazMat are slightly higher

ProperCharlie

no - derv is not highly flammable and doesn't produce an explosive vapour so it's storage is not as highly regulated.

by gas oil they mean the stuff that people heat their houses with, not gas as in petrol.

Jolly Green Monster

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Keep in mind that there has been no mention of stopping fuel supplies! Only hints a traffic cayous in Friday..

If we all start storing the stuff not only is there a risk factor but also they are laughing as they just got more revenue!!

Jolly Green Monster

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PS: Buy a diesel and stock up on cooking oil... perfectly legal to store as long as you don't leak it into the ground etc..

farmer1

We could all just get our bikes out, so that the demand for crude oil goes down and so does the price...

Boss Hogg

Machine Mart/Clarks sell 20L steel jerrycans for about £16 - Demon Tweeks sell them as well (for motorsport use only, you understand....)

Regacy

Bargain less that a tenner each here....
http://www.allthingsmilitary.co.uk/i...opscr1582.html
or new and clean here....
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steve jackson

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Freak yhpm m8

I have a few 20 ltr jerry cans if anyone is interested, ex army £15 for two pick up only west yorks.

Steve

misty

What's the point in storing petrol? You'll never store enough to last the rest of your life so why bother? I remember the petrol shortages in the seventies!!! where we had tickets to get a limited amount of fuel, but we still got some! During the last blockades of 2000 did you ever go without? What happens 50 years down the road when we really are running out, are you going to put a 30000 litre tank underground to last you? for how long? If I were you I'd simply fill the scoob up to the top and drive carefully for the next couple of weeks or so, walk or use a bike when you can! that's what I'm going to do! and to be honest with you during the last blockade I had a pass for petrol due to being in a critical occupation, but nevr used it. So IMHO, don't bother it will all blow over, prices will come down (not all the way obviously, they never do!!) and you will forget all about it............................................unti ll the next time
dave

SiPie

Well said Misty

Common sense prevails at last