What sort of sicko does this?
23 April 2004, 09:23 AM
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What sort of sicko does this?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...067566,00.html
Having just read this I feel physically sick
What is it with the human mind that can allow someone to even comprehend doing such a thing let alone actually going through with it? 
She shouldn't be sectioned, she should be wiped off the face of the planet for doing this - its murder after subjecting the baby to hideous torture I just can not understand how stuff like this can happen, its just sickening beyond belief
Having just read this I feel physically sick
What is it with the human mind that can allow someone to even comprehend doing such a thing let alone actually going through with it? She shouldn't be sectioned, she should be wiped off the face of the planet for doing this - its murder after subjecting the baby to hideous torture
I just can not understand how stuff like this can happen, its just sickening beyond belief
23 April 2004, 09:25 AM
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A 39-year-old woman has been arrested and sectioned under the Mental Health Act
23 April 2004, 09:29 AM
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Saxo if her marbles were gone what the **** was she doing in chargwe of a baby. It doesn't ansert he question at all. That baby has become abnother victim of this failing country. If she was a nutcase she shouldn't have been in charge of a baby, if she was suffering from post natal depression (assuming its her baby) where were the midwifes/social services/doctors etc making sure she was monitored very closely?
Saying she lost her marbles is not the answer i'm afraid
Saying she lost her marbles is not the answer i'm afraid
23 April 2004, 09:34 AM
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it's fairly obvious that no right minded person would do that to a baby, or to any living thing for that matter. it seems like this may be another example of "care" in the community gone horribly wrong.
23 April 2004, 09:38 AM
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if she was suffering from post natal depression (assuming its her baby) where were the midwifes/social services/doctors etc making sure she was monitored very closely?
However if it was her baby and she was postnatally depressed Midwives social services and doctors etc dont always know until it is too late. Its very easy to act as normal around people you know and love but unfortunately it takes a split second to flip your lid
Anyone got an oven big enough for a 39 yr old woman???
Sad sorry state to be in but she does deserrve to be shot including all the others who hurt poor defenseless kids
23 April 2004, 09:40 AM
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That is beyond words,
I've felt for a long time that people who want to have children ,should have to go through the same rigourous (sp?) testing as people who want to adopt a child.
Most people who want to adopt are probably more likely to bring a child up in a loving, safe home as its a conscious ,thought out , and very long proccess, where as paternal parents are, to be honest , not always aware of the situation they will be in after having a child.
But I suppose this would just bring on the PC & human rights brigades
And that would just makes you as bad, if not worse than her
Phil
I've felt for a long time that people who want to have children ,should have to go through the same rigourous (sp?) testing as people who want to adopt a child.
Most people who want to adopt are probably more likely to bring a child up in a loving, safe home as its a conscious ,thought out , and very long proccess, where as paternal parents are, to be honest , not always aware of the situation they will be in after having a child.
But I suppose this would just bring on the PC & human rights brigades
someone should do to her what she did to that baby
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23 April 2004, 09:46 AM
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where as paternal parents are, to be honest , not always aware of the situation they will be in after having a child.
Including me! im a 21 yr old single mum living on my own after my previous relationship went on a complete breakdown and i felt the need to get out of there before it was too late! im not saying im the best mum in the world or anything like that but i know my little boy (19 months old) is happy, kept clean, fed and well looked after and given more love that anyone could imagine and I also know it aint always plain easy sailing.
I do agree again that plenty of young kids/ adults are only having kids so they get a meal ticket to free houses etc etc.
I guess this world is finally going mad!
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23 April 2004, 09:51 AM
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Many people go off the deep end when they have children - crying babies can drive a once happy mother to murder, or grevous bodily harm of a child. It is sad, and hard to appreciate until you yourself are in their shoes...
(sorry all).
(sorry all).
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23 April 2004, 09:51 AM
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Saying she lost her marbles is not the answer i'm afraid
I'm not in ANYWAY making excuses I'm just pointing out how such a terrible thing can happen.
23 April 2004, 09:55 AM
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It wasnt aimed directly at you, just a generisation. I'm sure your a very good mum
Its the point that wether people have kids "by accident" or ,as you say, see it as a meal ticket .Its so easy to do with no regulation. I think we already have enough regulations in this country without getting too tough on parenting, its bad enough already with kids taking parents to court over smacking etc. But for genuine caring people who cant have a family through no fault of thier own it seems its a very lengthy proccess.
BTW I'm in non of the above catagorys
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Its the point that wether people have kids "by accident" or ,as you say, see it as a meal ticket .Its so easy to do with no regulation. I think we already have enough regulations in this country without getting too tough on parenting, its bad enough already with kids taking parents to court over smacking etc. But for genuine caring people who cant have a family through no fault of thier own it seems its a very lengthy proccess.
BTW I'm in non of the above catagorys
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23 April 2004, 10:04 AM
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Phil dont worry i wasnt taking it to heart just putting my views across 
I do understand what you are saying though. My sister is unable to have children through no fault of her own ... although she has my little man quite a lot as she says its the closest she will ever get to having a child of her own tis a sad state! But i still think she should be hung for doing what she did wether it made me as bad or even worse than her
I do understand what you are saying though. My sister is unable to have children through no fault of her own ... although she has my little man quite a lot as she says its the closest she will ever get to having a child of her own
tis a sad state! But i still think she should be hung for doing what she did wether it made me as bad or even worse than her
23 April 2004, 10:28 AM
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If anything the services should be largely to blame as if she had a history of poor mental health she should have been monitored more closely and if it was due to a case of severe post natal depression the midwife involved in assessing the woman should have picked up that something was amiss.
I don't see how someone commiting such a dreadful act can be assumed to be sane and not in need of supervision. Sadly it is the way of things in this day and age that not enough is done and what is done tends to be done without care. The young, the elderly and the sick are very suseptible to abuse.
I don't see how someone commiting such a dreadful act can be assumed to be sane and not in need of supervision. Sadly it is the way of things in this day and age that not enough is done and what is done tends to be done without care. The young, the elderly and the sick are very suseptible to abuse.
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Originally Posted by **************
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...067566,00.html
Having just read this I feel physically sick What is it with the human mind that can allow someone to even comprehend doing such a thing let alone actually going through with it?
She shouldn't be sectioned, she should be wiped off the face of the planet for doing this - its murder after subjecting the baby to hideous torture I just can not understand how stuff like this can happen, its just sickening beyond belief
Having just read this I feel physically sick
What is it with the human mind that can allow someone to even comprehend doing such a thing let alone actually going through with it? She shouldn't be sectioned, she should be wiped off the face of the planet for doing this - its murder after subjecting the baby to hideous torture
I just can not understand how stuff like this can happen, its just sickening beyond belief 
Its a terrible tradgedy but what is tragic also is that she has to live with that now and if she was to ever recover from her illness she'll know what she's done. I don't think she should be forgiven but theres a lot more going on than killing a baby in that story.
23 April 2004, 11:34 AM
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I work with people with mental health problems, have done for over 12 years, and because it's my parents business I've known people with problems all my life.
Some people do not exhibit any outward signs of poor mental health. It's not like they get a rash or something a medical professional can see.
We have a lady live with us who when giving birth to her second son suffered oxygen deprivation which has left her with significant mental health problems. If this lady is the mother (which the Sky article says the police won't say what the relationship is) then she could have developed these problems after the birth.
As someone has said, if she recovers from her problems, she will have to live with the guilt of knowing what she has done when she might have not had any control over it. Voices in the head can be a very powerful and overwhelming thing, and unless you know what it's like to live with the voices constantly telling you to do things or saying horrible things about you etc. or you know someone well who suffers like this, it's difficult to comment objectively.
It will certainly take the psychiatrists some time to get to the bottom of whats going on in her head.
Some people do not exhibit any outward signs of poor mental health. It's not like they get a rash or something a medical professional can see.
We have a lady live with us who when giving birth to her second son suffered oxygen deprivation which has left her with significant mental health problems. If this lady is the mother (which the Sky article says the police won't say what the relationship is) then she could have developed these problems after the birth.
As someone has said, if she recovers from her problems, she will have to live with the guilt of knowing what she has done when she might have not had any control over it. Voices in the head can be a very powerful and overwhelming thing, and unless you know what it's like to live with the voices constantly telling you to do things or saying horrible things about you etc. or you know someone well who suffers like this, it's difficult to comment objectively.
It will certainly take the psychiatrists some time to get to the bottom of whats going on in her head.
23 April 2004, 01:04 PM
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Tragic i agree,
but dont jump to conclusions....
its easy to condem the mother based on the headline...
but until all the facts are known it is pure speculation......
in one fell swoop, this woman has been likened to a child killer similar to Roy
Whiting or Ian Huntley.
PND takes many forms....
as some stage, this woman will confront what she has done,,, and then she will have to live with it for the rest of her life...
Mart
but dont jump to conclusions....
its easy to condem the mother based on the headline...
but until all the facts are known it is pure speculation......
in one fell swoop, this woman has been likened to a child killer similar to Roy
Whiting or Ian Huntley.
PND takes many forms....
as some stage, this woman will confront what she has done,,, and then she will have to live with it for the rest of her life...
Mart
23 April 2004, 01:57 PM
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Don't jump to conclusions?
But that's all the exercise many people on SN ever get...
Let's look at the facts that have been omitted shall we? Particularly one rather important thing.
As the Police spokesperson declined to identify the child until the next-of-kin had been informed, it rather rules out the suggestion that this woman is the mother, doesn't it.
As a parent this sickens me beyond belief. But I still feel some sympathy for the woman and her family. Mental health issues are a terrible thing to deal with and too many people fall through the cracks in this green and pleasant land. Our mental health service needs to be looked at properly. Not by career politicians and civil servants but by people who actually know what they are doing and who may perhaps have the interests of the patient and the country at heart rather than their election/career prospects.
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But that's all the exercise many people on SN ever get...
Let's look at the facts that have been omitted shall we? Particularly one rather important thing.
As the Police spokesperson declined to identify the child until the next-of-kin had been informed, it rather rules out the suggestion that this woman is the mother, doesn't it.
As a parent this sickens me beyond belief. But I still feel some sympathy for the woman and her family. Mental health issues are a terrible thing to deal with and too many people fall through the cracks in this green and pleasant land. Our mental health service needs to be looked at properly. Not by career politicians and civil servants but by people who actually know what they are doing and who may perhaps have the interests of the patient and the country at heart rather than their election/career prospects.
SB
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23 April 2004, 02:59 PM
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Simon what I was geting at is that the system has failed this baby most importantly but also failed this woman. OK I admit the title is over the top but the effect that story had on me I should have waited before posting due to strong feelings over what that baby had been subjected to. I was horrified to say the least.
I don't think I have jumped to any conclusions here, I have said if she was mentally ill she was failed but also if she had post natal depression (which it turns out is not relevant now) then she has also been failed. The fact is this baby should still be alive as no one who is mentally ill should be allowed to be in a position where they are responsible for a child, let alone a 3 week old baby
And to add I know how **** this country is at dealing with mental health, I have suffered depression at the loss of my youngest son and I was offered no help until a couple of years later, by which point it was too late, I had already learnt to deal with it myself by then.
I don't think I have jumped to any conclusions here, I have said if she was mentally ill she was failed but also if she had post natal depression (which it turns out is not relevant now) then she has also been failed. The fact is this baby should still be alive as no one who is mentally ill should be allowed to be in a position where they are responsible for a child, let alone a 3 week old baby
And to add I know how **** this country is at dealing with mental health, I have suffered depression at the loss of my youngest son and I was offered no help until a couple of years later, by which point it was too late, I had already learnt to deal with it myself by then.
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23 April 2004, 03:11 PM
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Oh good grief. That's an inflaming statement!
You're basically saying "mentally ill people" shouldn't be allowed to look after children?!?
Just goes to show you have no real idea about mental health problems. There are numerous different types affecting everyone differently. That is too general a statement to go making.
We have a lady living here that cared for her children at home with her husband despite suffering from bi-polar (manic depression). She coped with her kids really well and only wasn't looking after them when she was in hospital for a crisis. Her kids were not abused or harmed in any way as a result.
I think you need to carefully consider the emotional damage that happens to a child for not living with it's parents just because the parent is mentally ill. Better to live with someone who loves them and appears eccentric than to live in a childrens home feeling unloved by not just family but society as well.
You're basically saying "mentally ill people" shouldn't be allowed to look after children?!?
Just goes to show you have no real idea about mental health problems. There are numerous different types affecting everyone differently. That is too general a statement to go making.
We have a lady living here that cared for her children at home with her husband despite suffering from bi-polar (manic depression). She coped with her kids really well and only wasn't looking after them when she was in hospital for a crisis. Her kids were not abused or harmed in any way as a result.
I think you need to carefully consider the emotional damage that happens to a child for not living with it's parents just because the parent is mentally ill. Better to live with someone who loves them and appears eccentric than to live in a childrens home feeling unloved by not just family but society as well.
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who loves them and appears eccentric
OK I should have worded my reply as 'seriously mentally ill' which is what this woman must be to do what she did.
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23 April 2004, 03:23 PM
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I know well over 30 mentally ill people, eccentric is how most of them appear (some appear what could be described as normal).
You can't even say seriously mentally ill people shouldn't look after kids. That's a narrow minded ill informed statement.
You have said you have suffered depression yourself. Some people would regard that as a serious mental health problem, depending on your presentation.
You can't even say seriously mentally ill people shouldn't look after kids. That's a narrow minded ill informed statement.
You have said you have suffered depression yourself. Some people would regard that as a serious mental health problem, depending on your presentation.
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Originally Posted by Grottbags the witch
I know well over 30 mentally ill people, eccentric is how most of them appear (some appear what could be described as normal).
You can't even say seriously mentally ill people shouldn't look after kids. That's a narrow minded ill informed statement.
You have said you have suffered depression yourself. Some people would regard that as a serious mental health problem, depending on your presentation.
You can't even say seriously mentally ill people shouldn't look after kids. That's a narrow minded ill informed statement.
You have said you have suffered depression yourself. Some people would regard that as a serious mental health problem, depending on your presentation.
So there should be no regulation, no control, and the babies take pot luck as to if they are going to end up in the oven? Sounds sensible to me.
23 April 2004, 03:37 PM
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Is that what I said?
No, I thought not.
Next someone will voice the opinion that blind people shouldn't look after babies because they won't know that the bum on the baby has been properly cleaned and the baby will get nappy rash. For heavens sake.
1 in 10 people will suffer a mental health problem at some time in their life. Given how many people are parents, that's a hell of a lot of kids in care.
You cannot make sweeping and generalised statements about mental health, it is not that simple.
No, I thought not.
Next someone will voice the opinion that blind people shouldn't look after babies because they won't know that the bum on the baby has been properly cleaned and the baby will get nappy rash. For heavens sake.
1 in 10 people will suffer a mental health problem at some time in their life. Given how many people are parents, that's a hell of a lot of kids in care.
You cannot make sweeping and generalised statements about mental health, it is not that simple.
23 April 2004, 03:38 PM
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As the Police spokesperson declined to identify the child until the next-of-kin had been informed
I dont think that rules her out as being the mother, perhaps they're trying to identify who the father is before he reads it in the paper?
I dont think that rules her out as being the mother, perhaps they're trying to identify who the father is before he reads it in the paper?
