moses

did anyone hear the news

i said to my friend bravo a good few weeks ago, that if the west stopped killing muslims and stopped supporting our evil dictators and the israelis ,terrorism will stop or majority of it would

suprabeast

It does sound like they don't believe they can win against the whole of europe and america united. So why not try to drive a wedge between them.

Dracoro

As a resident in europe, it may mean less chance of an attack which is good but this move is really a calculated ploy to try and drive a wedge(sic) between the US and Europe. I mean, why won't they offer the same thing to the US if it's really about not killing muslims??? Don't they want to 'offer' the US the same chance of peace??

moses

just watched sky news mate

and they said coz he never had a prob with europe he only killed them when they killed muslims or occupied muslim lands


and usa basically will never be forgiven and israel, their the most hated and no truce for them and i watched bbc news and same thing their, they brought those terrorism expert guys and they said the same, yep its to drive a wedge between them too

suprabeast

Someone on here posted a quote a while ago written during the war. Something like:

"they came for the jews but i wasn't one so i stayed away, then they came for.... etc"

i'll try and find it, but i think if europe doesn't stand up for the US now, then eventually it will turn around back on us europeans and we will then have no help from the rest of the world

suprabeast

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

moses

suprabeast thats a socialist saying im a socalist but religious




i aint red moses im just moses



as long as usa and israel commit atrocities they will get punished

u aint heard the story of pharoah havent u and what he did he was the superpower of its time and enslaved hebrews and tortured them and killed them and oppressed them God sent him moses , to be brought up in phaorahs own home and he brought him down to his knee;s with the grace of God


story is anyone oppress people and do such evil things will always be brought down to their knee;s happened to the romans, persians, greeks, egyptians, russians etc etc etc


its the law , what u sow u shall reap

every back action will beget a bad reaction and a good action will beget a good reaction

mate if i smile at u, their is more of a chance u will smile back or if i say hello mate u will probably say the same

if i tell u to f%*k off u will probably give me twice that back

its the law dude

RichWalk

(tongue in cheek mode) BL is just trying to flatter the Germans- some one told him about the job they did on jews last time.

How to drive a wedge btwn Europe & USA, most yanks dont even know where europe is!

moses

lol @ rich

but its true muslims always loved germans , always been fair to them in history mate



they was even a muslim ss waffen 13th islamic division off the ss waffen, hitlers and himmlers muslims


and true yanks dont they think europe is in disney land

Wurzel

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Moses it was Wafen SS not ss wafen

moses

lol i know mate but its easier for me to say ss waffen



or i will have a waffle ss potato waffle


not just that were from the same blood lines, the original aryans of persia and "not" vikings


hitler tried to change it to viking norse blood which was b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s coz swastika comes from the ancestors of mines the persians and they took it round the world and including india


poor hitler was running away from his dark aryan ancestors if u ever notice the persians arent arabic of course they have some turko arabic blood but their lighter skin than the arabs most anyway except the lebanese and syrians their white arabs




http://www.feldgrau.com/13ss.html




http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/rev.../haschdare.htm








thats the islamic ottomon sword and swastika



http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm

hitler needed his own kamikaze's he got these and told the arabs to uprise against the british colonial rule and i will support u

but he was a user and an evil man but bosnians praise him and turks till this day


he saved bosnians from extinction from the first massacre of serbs, bosnian muslims wanted hitler to take over bosnia and make it a part of greater germany and serbs will never have a chance to massacre them and bosnians took their revenge on them when they became a part of the waffen ss



man i thought we woz talking about osama



well i like my birds eye waffles




http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm


this is the tattoo some palestinians have its the waffen ss 13th handschar





the one with the sword is the one palestinains have , some of them

Brendan Hughes

It all makes sense except this bit (from the Guardian website news story):

"But it offered no such deal with the United States or Israel. "President Bush and leaders in his sphere, big media institutions, and the United Nations [...] all of them are a fatal danger to the world, and the Zionist lobby is their most dangerous and difficult member, and we insist, God willing, on continuing to fight them," the speaker said."

So the UN, which has passed umpteen resolutions condemning Israel, and refused to sanction the invasion of Iraq... is an ENEMY?

moses

probably coz all they do is condemn and do nothing else but have a coffee and talk a lil sh1te


u.n are nothing and it showed when cowboy bush went at it with the sundance kid tony blair

juan

Not seen the story but not too worried about backing the yanks up. could be time for us to align ourselves more with Europe anyway.

Maybe if they had a different president I would feel differently but quite happy to see Bush take some ****.

I reckon UK getting off US's shoulder would get US rather worried.

Gotta fight terrorism still though but maybe more as a united Europe.

angrynorth

Do you really think we can just take Bin Laden's word for it though? Just let our guard down because he says he will play nice?

What would happen next time we did something that he didn't like? Would he stand up and say, "Ooh, I didn't like that. I'm not your friend anymore, and I'm going to attack you next chance I get."

Its just a clever piece of propaganda (like everything he says) and I would take it with a pinch of salt.

SomeDude

LOL @ Google ads for "Understanding Islam"

I think we are trying to look at this again from a "western" POV, and thus will fail.

Say tomorrow the UN/Europe/US would find a peaceful acceptable solution for the Palestinian cause, would that end all terrorism ?

If your answer was yes, think again.

The cat is somehow out of the bag, and no political act will get it back in.

There are a myriad of extreme muslims groups right now, who consider all western people evil, barbarian, women with a mini-skirt are ******, etc... They don't need "BL" to fund them etc... but will happily carry out attacks in his name.

This sadly has nothing to do with Islam in general, as throughout history it has been one of the more peaceful religions. A lot of this started during the Afghan war against the USSR.

If you read the interviews with people around BL etc... they won't stop for nothing until a global Islam world would be created. They will use "Europe" if that helps them in their faith, but will drop it if it suits them as well. Infidels, scum we are.

Interestingly, they find Bush less of a barbarian than other leaders as at least "his acts come from his faith". Blimey.

I'll look up the name of the guy they interviewed in Pakistan if you want, but his words were truly amazing.

The fat lady certainly hasn't sung yet.

suprabeast

yeah cos i can see the good old european countries jumping in next time we hit a spot of bother....

...I think the french and germans will just go running.

We need the USA in case of any future events because I don't think Europe will ever do anything useful to support us

moses

one thing even the enemies of osama know, he is a man of his word as long as the pact doesnt get broken


he is more honest than our so called leaders of the world like bush and tony and ***** like the saudi regime, sharon, mubarak

he is a nasty man i agree but he is not a liar like the so called leaders i mentioned

jimbob2

bin laden should come out and show himself - get his martydom and place in heaven sorted out sooner rather than later.

Much like the hooded muppets (probably robbers/rapists/child molesters Saddam released before the yanks arrived) who have just shot some poor Itlalian guy. What's with the disguises? Surely they aren't scared of being recognised and shot/arrested?

Odd. Maybe I'm just not understanding this whole martyrdon thing?

angrynorth

Sorry Moses, I like you but I cannot take that statement seriously. He's told a few porkies in his time, just like anyone else.

If we take this supposed honest mans word and release ourselves from our most powerful ally, and lay down our defenses; we would be an open target. Not something I would want to be.

moses

i like u too mate

and what porkies he says what he means even if its evil, he does say it and doesnt lie about his feeling, i call that truthful, he never hated the west one time he even loves arsenal footie club till this day lol ,he only started hating the west after what they did in the muslim world and went to the holy land arabia and their support for the israeli killing machine


he didnt always hate the west , he is a terrorist but less terrorist than the usa and israel and russia
im suprised i thought he may have included britain with the usa but he didnt, maybe its coz of the arsenal football team

juan

He's a coward and a terrorist!

moses

terrorist yes a coward no


what about bush and wolfowitz and rumsfeld and tony what r they and sharon

juan

why is he hiding and getting others to do the suicide attacks? Why not come and do one himself if its what he believes in so much?



maybe could argue they are terrorists but less cowardly

moses

no their cowards and hide behind nice houses and get their butchers to go and bomb innocent civilians

see what the usa do is what we see as terrorism


he fought the war and aint a coward and he wouldnt go and do suicide bombs coz he is their master mind

brb mate customers in shop

moses

here juan



http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/


made by white christians and not muslims, have a look at the site

and also mate pls dont get me wrong im always misunderstood i dont support terrorism and when tony and bush say

either u are with us or the terrorists well i aint with neither of the terrorists



my muslim bros has a problem of explaining his words but i will explain it from my own mouth and i hope u understand



juan what happened in 9/11 was an atrocity , i will use the simple words that some may understand but i dont mean no harm, i dont see people as a colour but as humans, i have bros and sisters who are every colour of this world, yellow, black, white , bronze and etc etc.


when a white mans country gets attacked they call it an atrocity, when the white christian gets back what he has done to the coloured man or other different people, they call it terrorism but when the white christian leaders of the world commit terrorism and butchering of other nations and milking their lands and stealing their treasures and corrupting their leaderships its all fine and no one bats an eye lid when innocent muslims get bombed or the yellow man gets bombed in veitnam or innocent civilians in muslim lands get wiped out its all fine

but soon as those people give it back to the whiteman all hell breaks loose, one law for the whiteman and a different law for the others, do what u want to the others but not a scratch on the whiteman or his country.


over 3000 people got martyred at the twin towers but 5 thousand people got marytred a month in iraq via sanctions by the usa and as u know about the depleted uranium


and america cried when they lost 3000 or so, but when it happens to the middle east, no probs their "evil" so do what u will and they know jack **** about the foreign policy of their country


the lifeline of israeli killing machine and mubaraks torture brigades in egypt and turkish aggression against the kurds


hmm usa backs turks all way through, they done the same to the kurds as saddam did



usa ***** with the policies of our country, they like sticking their noses in other peoples countries

u should read a book called 9/11 by noam chomsky one of my hero's and also john pilgers new rulers of the world


what usa practice is terrorism and its sad people in the west wear blinkers when it comes to what their countries are doing but soon as the black, yellow or muslim does something all hell breaks loose.



our country the united kingdom, sells arms to israel and gives the bandages to the palestinians

Butkus

This is a complicated subject that is for sure. It seems to be very rooted in so called 'religion'. I don't understand it all.

Suresh

OBL is a piece of dog turd. Nothing heroic, big, clever or honest about murdering innocents. I would like to see his home town, family and their friends completely obliterated. Wiped off the face of the planet even if they pretend to oppose him.

Sometimes two wrongs do make a right.


Just my two rupees worth.

moses

why the innocent members of his family suresh

if u do something should i butcher your whole family and friends who have nothing to do with it


and yes if he deserves to die so do most world leaders who are terrorists

and butkus pls dont say its to do with religion coz it aint


what stalin and others like him pol pot was to do with athiesm lol was it or not , do u really think tony or bush and his cronies are real christians or even putin or others that do the same stuff


evil is in all forms and these wars are about greed and not religion


or war against occupation

Suresh

An eye for an eye.
Maybe he'll start to understand.