penny_lane

Anyone else heard of this???

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO...lSolutions.htm

http://www.i4u.com/article486.html


http://cbn.org/cbnnews/news/020131a.asp

For anymore website....search for "Verichip" or "Mondex" on google....there are loads....

......any points of view on this???

penny_lane

P.S.....Sorry if this has already been discussed before!!!

damian666

Wasn't this a cashless card system tried in the midlands? Mondex that is....

Damo

penny_lane

yeah..something like that....but it is without a card...its using a chip.

...which will hold all information about you.

which i personally don;t agree with because it is completely against Human Rights.

Everywhere you go you will be able to be traced by satelights.

BUT....on one plus side....you would pretty much if not completely elimiate forgery.

But is it worth it??

and there are loads of religious points of views on it as well

damian666

A mate of mine deliberately doesn't use his switch card in shops - in case they are tracking him.

In his words, its just one more way he could get f*cked.

I agree, to a point - but I'm not up for inconveniencing myself really.

Damo

penny_lane

what does he do for money?? go to a bank to get it out?? or cash point?? if theres tracking on that...then surely they would still be able to do it from whereever he gets money from....

....unless he keeps his money in a suit case under his bed...??

Tiggs

track him??

why?

cause he buys milk?

penny_lane

i know the government like to waste time with speeding tickets....but tracking some random person who uses a credit card might be going a little far even for the police to stretch to, to avoid proper useage of there time....

...unless he got something to hide.....???t

Dave T-S

PMSL Has 1st April come early?

As for not using a switch card for fear of being tracked....reminds me of the old saying - "i'm not paranoid, it's just that everyone else is out to get me".....

Graz

Credit card companies do track your card! Though mainly to prevent fraud. I had a phone call after a spending splurge back at my parents plus my brother had forgotten his wallet so I paid for some stuff he wanted. They wanted to know if I was still in possesion of the card as it had been used for several large purchases in Essex. They then listed all the places I had been shopping that weekend!

Dracoro

Works both ways. They can track you to prove you committed a crime (if you had of course!) and you can use it to prove you haven't (i.e. you were in another place at time of crime). Nothing to fear really. They can track your mobile too. But with these devices you can turn them off/not use them if you really need to. you can't do this if you've a chip implanted in you. against the implanted chip myself.

we're getting closer and closer to 1984.

Leslie

And maybe even Logan's Run!!!

Les

dharbige

And this is bad or unexpected why, exactly? How else are your credit card company going to know what to put on your bill? Does it really come as a shock to discover that your credit card company knows where you've been making purchases?????


A few other points:

Did I miss something that linked MONDEX to VeriChip?? Mondex was/is a cash alternative that by its very nature DID NOT track purchases, as every transaction was between two cards and did not require a back-end host system to process the transactions. VeriChip stores personal information on a chip implanted in your body. I don't see a connection.

In what way? Maybe if it is forced upon you, but not if you choose to have it.

Oh yeah? How exactly? Is it going to be continuously transmitting some signal that a satellite (note spelling) can track? If so, what's its power source? Sorry, but things just don't work like that.

Why? Do you think these things are more difficult to copy than, say, a chip-based credit card? You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

So what is the point having one then???? Also who would want to track him?

has he got something to hide???

penny_lane

No i don't know that much about it....only what i have read on the web sites some of which are posted above....

...i dunno how technology works....i didn;t design it

...and it says how the tracking works in the web site. although it doesn;t have a battery...it has a power source somehow...i can;t rememeber exactly..but its on the web site

penny_lane

and its not against Human Rights until it is impossed on you.

...which if its the way teh world goes (which i think it will) then it will be at some point otherwise you wont be able to buy or sell...

...and THEN..its against Human Rights as you have no other alternative...and so you lose your freedom to this as a compulsary in order to trade...

except for probably a HUGE black market going on for all those who don;t want it!

Tiggs

"except for probably a HUGE black market going on for all those who don;t want it!"

yeah...im sure.

just imagine my wife in 5 years..."honey, im off to the black market Waitrose undergound convert/non tracked deli counter.....dont want to use the normal shop because of all the satelites"

as for ppl being shocked that your cc company knows where youv'e been....are you for real? you think they just make your statement up by guessing what you might have bought?????

you ppl need a handfull of beans, 3 ox and a time machine to go back to 1800 when you might feel safer!

damian666

He always withdraws cash from different cashpoints - he is a bit of a paranoid bugger!

(Then again, he is into some dodgy stuff )

Damo

Brendan Hughes

<Triple-checks calendar, sure it says 2004 already...>

boomer

IIRC, this was disproved a few years back!

A (very) quick web search reveals:

http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/convergence.12jul97.html

and

http://www.privacy.org/pi/activities/mondex/

..amongst much other stuff (e.g. i am sure that The Register had a campaign a while ago).

mb

Dracoro

it's a book.

Scooby96

Well I dont care whos tracking my whereabouts unless its the missus

Joke!!

dharbige

That depends on whether you regard mis-informed speculation as sufficient to prove something.

The transaction did not/do not require a back-end host, and so no third party is required. However, both parties involved in the transaction know the number of each other's card (if nothing else), and if one of them keeps a record of that transaction, then they are entitled to do so.

Transaction records were only ever used for fraud prevention, in that by keeping track of how much 'cash' was moving round the system, Mondex could detect if a large amount of unauthorised 'fake' cash had been introduced. There was no facility for cross referencing each individual transaction back to the user that made it - that would have been a processing nightmare, and there was no requirement to do so.

Just because something is theoretically possble (albeit with a lot of expense, for very little if any return), doesn't mean that it was actually being done.