IWatkins

NDA has been lifted as of yesterday and the press release etc. are starting to flow from Canon.

Specs etc. here: http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos1dm2/index.html

Cheers

Ian

BOB.T

urf urf

GaryK

8.2 megapixel WTF!!!! awesome

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Drool.... anyone want to buy a mint used 1D? (Seriously!)

IWatkins

No, no, don't buy Andy's 1D, what you really want is my mint 10D

Seriously, looks like a cracking camera and if insider information I have is true, these may actually be on the shealf, in the UK, by mid to late March.

I say on the shelf, but it is unlikely any will sit there for long.

Initial RRP in the US of $4499, but street will more likely be $3999 initially, then falling to to $3499. Of course, that means in the UK they will be £5k or something stupid.

Cheers

Ian

AndyC_772

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Well, yes - but with exchange rates as they are, you'll be able to import a $3999 camera from one of the many reputable international dealers in the US for about £2800 all-in. That's what I'll most likely be doing.

gregh

any news on new Ixus sized models????

AndyC_772

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No, not today - you may have to wait for PMA next month. The 1D Mk II is the big news at the moment, along with some new lenses. (The 70-300 DO IS is particularly lustworthy IMHO).

IWatkins

Yep, that DO lens looks very interesting.

Anyway, I've been looking about and Park Cameras are listing the Mk2 already and with a "To Be Confirmed" price of £3499. They are already taking deposits.

So I can easily see this camera down around the £3199 mark around May time, assuming supply (slated for 4000 units a month) can keep up with demand.

Cheers

Ian

ChrisB

What's the "DO" stand for?

Chris
Wondering if he can add a camera to his mortgage...

AndyC_772

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It stands for 'Diffractive Optics'. It's a very new technology, at least in consumer camera lenses. The only other DO lens is the 400mm DO prime, which is considerably smaller and lighter (and more costly!) than the 'conventional' equivalent. Don't expect a DO zoom to be cheap...

darlodge

Now I am going to wait for the drop in the current digital range

Darren

ChrisB

Sounds interesting Andy.

Any links worth reading about it?

IWatkins

Chirs, look here

Interesting stuff.

Cheers

Ian

TopBanana

I'm going to Bankok in a couple of months. Would it be worth picking one up out there? Can you even buy that sort of thing out there???

jameswrx

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You'll soon forget about the camera

chiark

Well, if anyone is flogging a 10d, let me know

Any news on the rumoured replacement for the 10D, or the expansion to the range? Still nothing on dpreview.com, which is a pretty good source.

AndyC_772

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What replacement for the 10D?

The only rumours I heard were about the replacement for the 1D, and they were backed up by a price crash and the availability of used bodies from Canon. With its 3rd party CCD sensor it was always the anomaly in the range, so its replacement came as no surprise.

The 10D, however, already feels like a pretty mature product - it's very like the EOS 33 film camera, which has been around for ages. What would you change about it, other than make it (and by extension, the rest of the whole range) a bit cheaper?

Hoppy

That DO technology looks very clever. Significant developments in lens technology are very rare (like once a decade, in my recollection). A dream for long lenses.

Camera is well tasty, too. But they still can't make their mind up about the image format, can they? Now down to 1.3x film focal lengths. Surely we're heading for 1x as the end game now?

Price apart, is there now any reason NOT to go digital, regardless of application? I think this camera has pretty well nailed the lot.

Richard.

AndyC_772

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It's still 1.6x on the consumer cameras - which I personally found no handicap at all on my D30 once I'd invested in a Sigma 15-30 zoom. Then, of course, we have 1.3x on the 1D (Mk 1 and 2), which allows for lower noise without costing the earth. Finally we have the 1DS, the no-compromise cost-no-object resolution king, but at a cost.

Thing is, sensors are still expensive. Moreover, they'll remain expensive much longer than we may expect, because electronics normally get cheaper because they get smaller. With DSLR sensors we're asking them to get bigger, and that goes completely against the grain.

IMHO the driving force that'll get DSLR prices down over the next 12 months or so won't be technical at all, it'll be competition. Not so long ago the Canon D30 was the only reasonably affordable game in town. Then came the even more expensive D60, followed soon after by the Nikon D100 and the (surprise, surprise) much cheaper 10D. I suspect that the Nikon D70 will push 300D prices down in much the same way.

At the high end it gets better. The 1D was applauded when it first came out at £5k or thereabouts. Along comes the D2H and 1D prices plummet to compete. Now we have the 1D-II, looking expensive right now but then again, the D2X isn't out yet. Maybe I'll hang on after all...

ianmiller999

Are there any available pictures on the net to see what kind of results this camera produces?

IWatkins

10D still has some life in it IMHO.

If anything is going to get the upgrade, then the 1Ds would be on the cards first I would have thought.

Saying that, I would not be at all surprised to see a new 1Ds and a new 10D this year. See how short the life of the D60 was.

Although we have had the announcement of the 1D upgrade (before PMA as well) I would also not be surprised to see another big announcement at PMA.

A new flash and a new wide angle lens are both items that some analysts expect to see in the early part of this year from Canon. I can't argue with that, but I'm no expert.

Cheers

Ian

AndyC_772

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Wide angle lens? Seems unlikely given that the 17-40 f/4 wasn't released that long ago. We do have the new 28-300 and 70-300 DO, though - it's probably as well that the DO lens is only f/5.6 or my wallet would be even more nervous

IWatkins

There was talk of Canon working on a super wide, something like a 12-24 along the lines of the Sigma and also Nikkor's offering 12-??

f5.6 ? Imagine the price of the f2.8

Cheers

Ian

Hoppy

Just an observation, but PMA is perhaps THE show at which to grab the headlines today.

There's only one reason to pre-empt that - because someone else has the real show-stopper product.

Hardly a rock solid theory, but PMA could have something majorly special up its sleeve.

And with the pace of development, we could probably do with two shows a year now - in Feb to preview the spring and summer products, and October pre-Xmas. Bet they're thinking about it - would put the wind up Photokina (bi-annual, autumn, Cologne)

Richard.

chiark

Agreed the 10D is a mature product, but there's rumours on DPReview boards about replacements. Still, there always will be.

For starters, the 300D is due to be released in a pure black body rather than the strange colour that it is now. Apparently. That would make sense in some ways.

Speculation abounds on the 10D, but most is around due to the limited life that the D60 enjoyed before being rebadged and upgraded.

I suspect that, feature wise, the 300D would suit me as the thing that *really* is holding me back is this 1.6x crop, and I'm not about to go for a 1D .

As mentioned above, investing in a D30 and starter lens is probably the right thing to do, but the lack of cheap wide angle is something that is worrying me enough to keep my wallet closed for now . Oh, and the fact that it's empty

Anyone want to buy a Fuji 6900z?

Cheers,
Nick.

IWatkins

Nick,

The 1.6x crop isn't the end of the world to be honest. I manage quite well with my 10D. For wide I use the Sigma 12-24 (19mm equiv at the wide end) and that works well. The Sigma 12-24 is £500.

Wallet being empty is a requirement for digital SLR ownership. If you have money in there you don't have enough lenses.

Cheers

Ian

chiark

12-24 for 500 quid isn't that bad really. I thought it would be more.

Well, the savings pot is being filled as I type, so we'll see the state of it in the middle of the year . Somewhere between a D30 and a 10D is the aim. Hey, if Canon announce a replacement for the 10D then I'll be laughing and hotfooting it to ebay

Have a look on the DPReview boards, particularly the Canon 1D/s forum, as there's some very good observations being made in the Canon product range there, especially with the launch of the Nikon D70 making the 300D look pretty hobbled at the price point and comparing the D70 with the 10D rather than the 300D.

I was thinking that we'd seen maturity in the digital SLR market approaching, but have pretty much changed my mind! Pixel count will, IMHO, stabilise with 6MP being entry level, and 12MP being the top end. It certainly will be less of a factor when buying, as 6MP is probably considered "enough". The real push, as mentioned above, will be on the features at price point and with Nikon aggressively entering the sub £1000 market, this can only heat up this year.

I do hope that the technology war is somewhat stabilising, but it does rather look like people are being drawn into the idea of upgrading year on year which drives the marketplace. With less tech dev, perhaps this will slow?

The one thing that I do think may change is the evolution from 1.6 to 1.3 to FF, but that will be costly. Perhaps it'll be kept up the sleeve of the manufacturers to get us to upgrade in 2 years? On the other hand, the crop is useful for some users...

I guess this marketplace is like all marketplaces. There will be innovation and new models, I probably should pick features that look sufficient and jump in . The 10D is ideally what I want, but a D30 is a sensible starting point.

'nother quid or three into the jar today I feel

Cheers,
Nick.

chiark

Sample pics from 1D II here -
http://www.pbase.com/piranha/eos1dmkii