Kilroy-Silk apologises for comments.
10 January 2004, 09:17 AM
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Presumably because he has been made to choose between losing his job and making an an apology!
The whole thing was an over reaction in my opinion, but there we go....
The whole thing was an over reaction in my opinion, but there we go....
10 January 2004, 10:51 AM
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Just because he has apoligised does not mean that he doesn't still hold those views. Personally, I agree with him. Incitement to Racial Hatred was a bit extreme. Will he keep his job and be back on air?
11 January 2004, 02:16 PM
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Agreed. And Kilroy's views are NOT the majority view. If you believe they are then please substantiate your opinion with some evidence to support it. They are not the majority view just because you say they are. 
11 January 2004, 02:29 PM
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Isn't it also interesting that we have arrested so many so-called islamic terrorists in this country without actually being attacked once!?..Apparently we keep foiling the terror plots beofre they happen.
In my book thats 100% detection and prevention.
Shame we cant achieve that rate with any other crime or terror groups (ie IRA)
Do we really believe this utter nonsense?
In my book thats 100% detection and prevention.
Shame we cant achieve that rate with any other crime or terror groups (ie IRA)
Do we really believe this utter nonsense?
11 January 2004, 03:15 PM
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Katana,
You are entitled to your view on the Welsh being sheep ********. I ve got no problem with that. But would you be so eager to take the mick out of a black or Asian man. I very much doubt it.
Like I very much doubt Trevor Philips would be bothered about your comments either. He would if I was a different colour though wouldnt he.
It's nice to see a few Arabs backing his right to freedom of speech as well.
Ibrahim Nawar, an Egyptian, is the Head of the Board of Management of Arab Press Freedom Watch, a non-profit organisation based in London that works to promote freedom of expression in the Arab world.
"I fully support Robert Kilroy-Silk and salute him as an advocate of freedom of expression. I would like to voice my solidarity with him and with all those who face the censorship of such a basic human right.
"I agree with much of what he says about Arab regimes. There is a very long history of oppression in the Arab world, particularly in the states he mentions: Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, as well as in Sudan and Tunisia.
"These regimes are not based on democracy and their legitimacy comes from military dicatorships or inherited systems. The basic right of an individual to voice his or her opinion is not granted in any kind of form in the Arab world.
"In Saudi Arabia, for instance, there have been seven Saudi editors sacked from their jobs for criticising the regime since March 2002. In Algeria, we are currently fighting 70 defamation cases against journalists who spoke out against
Chip.
You are entitled to your view on the Welsh being sheep ********. I ve got no problem with that. But would you be so eager to take the mick out of a black or Asian man. I very much doubt it.
Like I very much doubt Trevor Philips would be bothered about your comments either. He would if I was a different colour though wouldnt he.
It's nice to see a few Arabs backing his right to freedom of speech as well.
Ibrahim Nawar, an Egyptian, is the Head of the Board of Management of Arab Press Freedom Watch, a non-profit organisation based in London that works to promote freedom of expression in the Arab world.
"I fully support Robert Kilroy-Silk and salute him as an advocate of freedom of expression. I would like to voice my solidarity with him and with all those who face the censorship of such a basic human right.
"I agree with much of what he says about Arab regimes. There is a very long history of oppression in the Arab world, particularly in the states he mentions: Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, as well as in Sudan and Tunisia.
"These regimes are not based on democracy and their legitimacy comes from military dicatorships or inherited systems. The basic right of an individual to voice his or her opinion is not granted in any kind of form in the Arab world.
"In Saudi Arabia, for instance, there have been seven Saudi editors sacked from their jobs for criticising the regime since March 2002. In Algeria, we are currently fighting 70 defamation cases against journalists who spoke out against
Chip.
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11 January 2004, 04:48 PM
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What really gets my back up immensely is the fact they are trying to do him for inciting racial hatred [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] WTF about Abu Hamza and all his followers and similar fekin tw@ts who are protected by the police in this country for their marchs through London declaring their hatred for the West and to take up arms and nothing is done to stop them or arrest them as they are 'entitled to their freedom of speech' [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Two faced w@nkers are what the pc brigade are and all the people who are calling RKS a racist. Where are their demands to ban such demonstrations by the anti west brigade who are quite clearly inciting violence just by what they read out at their 'rallies' [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
This counties pc brigade absolutely stink of hypocracy [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Shows what a total joke the BBC are for falling for such weak minded idiots running their corporation
I am no fan of RKS, its merely the pricipal of what is happening to him and others who simply tell it how it is in this country.
Two faced w@nkers are what the pc brigade are and all the people who are calling RKS a racist. Where are their demands to ban such demonstrations by the anti west brigade who are quite clearly inciting violence just by what they read out at their 'rallies' [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
This counties pc brigade absolutely stink of hypocracy [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Shows what a total joke the BBC are for falling for such weak minded idiots running their corporation
I am no fan of RKS, its merely the pricipal of what is happening to him and others who simply tell it how it is in this country.
11 January 2004, 04:56 PM
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Katana, you have an Arabic sympathetic perspective, yet watch Iraqi 'loyalists' blowing up Iraqi children every other day on the news; you saw the devastation of 9/11 (including hundreds of Arabs and other Muslims killed) yet what are you concerned about? Yep, that's right, sheep ********...
Maybe you genuinely are concerned about wrongs in international stereotyping or are even trying to make some 'generalisation' point here, rather badly? Whatever, you lost your credibility in getting the other similar thread locked and in your childish comments towards me and others. I'm clearly not worthy of having a grown up chat with you so feel free to give me a trite 3 word answer whilst you wait to grow into a man.
D
Maybe you genuinely are concerned about wrongs in international stereotyping or are even trying to make some 'generalisation' point here, rather badly? Whatever, you lost your credibility in getting the other similar thread locked and in your childish comments towards me and others. I'm clearly not worthy of having a grown up chat with you so feel free to give me a trite 3 word answer whilst you wait to grow into a man.
D
11 January 2004, 05:07 PM
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Diesel,
Following on from the other thread (which got locked), I wanted to know why you think there is so much anti-American sentiment in the Middle-East (this was in response to you quoting banners in Syria).
A.
Following on from the other thread (which got locked), I wanted to know why you think there is so much anti-American sentiment in the Middle-East (this was in response to you quoting banners in Syria).
A.
11 January 2004, 06:06 PM
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I said this in the other thread,there is a possibility Kilroy may just be ignorant,not a downright racist.It seems his piece has been edited and the Express have some culpability,in fact the CRE have stated as FACT they are happy with the original statement but not the edited one.
His original piece went totally unnoticed,its just the removal of one word ("countries" after "Arabs") that has hit the headlin
His original piece went totally unnoticed,its just the removal of one word ("countries" after "Arabs") that has hit the headlin
11 January 2004, 07:48 PM
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Mods - I dont mind being called 'racist scum' as I know I am neither, but 'ugly & fat' - now that IS something, LOL!!! I won’t comment on the asinine rest, other than the quote ‘council estate mother’ – that is as insulting to my council estate mates as it is inaccurate (we had 3 acres dontcha know :P 
… ). Anyway, can you tolerate such behaviour here on SN? Please advise.
Ashkay (and thank Allah for you!) having worked in Middle Eastern countries and having grilled Arabic speaking mates I do understand what's behind such a hostile attitude to ‘the west’. They perceive the West to be dominant, self serving and arrogant (that is all true as well IMHO). However when it all gets whipped up into hysteria sprinkled with religious zeal and laced with a gang ‘Islam v Christianity’ mentality, it all starts getting out of control. They use terms like ‘western imperialism’ so lightly and as an excuse to castigate and condemn whole continents and its people. Wrong whover does it.
Basically, as I see it, people are backed into corners now and so the gloves are off – this is why it has got VERY ugly (just like me
:P).
Can I now ask you something? Why didn’t another Middle Eastern state intervene when Iraq invaded Kuwait? If I was a Middle Easterner I’d want to sort out my own affairs – particularly to keep USA’s nose out and their troops away. Imagine the Saudi’s nipping over to sort out Northern Ireland or Kosovo for us, and we allow them to use our bases as a ‘thanks chaps’…
D
… ). Anyway, can you tolerate such behaviour here on SN? Please advise.Ashkay (and thank Allah for you!) having worked in Middle Eastern countries and having grilled Arabic speaking mates I do understand what's behind such a hostile attitude to ‘the west’. They perceive the West to be dominant, self serving and arrogant (that is all true as well IMHO). However when it all gets whipped up into hysteria sprinkled with religious zeal and laced with a gang ‘Islam v Christianity’ mentality, it all starts getting out of control. They use terms like ‘western imperialism’ so lightly and as an excuse to castigate and condemn whole continents and its people. Wrong whover does it.
Basically, as I see it, people are backed into corners now and so the gloves are off – this is why it has got VERY ugly (just like me
:P).Can I now ask you something? Why didn’t another Middle Eastern state intervene when Iraq invaded Kuwait? If I was a Middle Easterner I’d want to sort out my own affairs – particularly to keep USA’s nose out and their troops away. Imagine the Saudi’s nipping over to sort out Northern Ireland or Kosovo for us, and we allow them to use our bases as a ‘thanks chaps’…
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11 January 2004, 07:52 PM
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personally, i would be quite happy to see abu hamzah prosecuted or deported or whatever. he is worse than RKS, there's not doubt about that. However, and please correct me if i'm wrong here, when i last looked hamzah didn't have a column in a national newspaper or his own tv show.
11 January 2004, 08:13 PM
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'racist scum' 'ugly & fat'
LOL - strange that. I get called exactly the same thing by the same person. Unlike others on this board this particular character seems to be able to behave exactly as he wants with no consequences. I too find it a bit strange, as this is *so* clearly in breach of the guidlines. Perhaps it's an example the inconsistant moderating I've read so much about recently?
On a different note it's ironic how someone who accuses everone else of being a racist is himself by far the most racist person on here.
UB
[Edited by unclebuck - 1/11/2004 9:32:35 PM]
LOL - strange that. I get called exactly the same thing by the same person. Unlike others on this board this particular character seems to be able to behave exactly as he wants with no consequences. I too find it a bit strange, as this is *so* clearly in breach of the guidlines. Perhaps it's an example the inconsistant moderating I've read so much about recently?
On a different note it's ironic how someone who accuses everone else of being a racist is himself by far the most racist person on here.
UB
[Edited by unclebuck - 1/11/2004 9:32:35 PM]
11 January 2004, 08:17 PM
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Diesel,
Can you please explain what you mean in (brackets)? I assume you are a practicing Muslim?
I'm sorry, but I am unable provide an explanation to something that did not happen. However, there are plenty of reasons as to why Iraq invaded Kuwait and indeed why the US-led coalition invaded Iraq.
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Ashkay (and thank Allah for you!)
Can I now ask you something? Why didn’t another Middle Eastern state intervene when Iraq invaded Kuwait?
A.
11 January 2004, 08:34 PM
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i dont see why he should lose his job or be made to say SORRY. he just stated what alot of people are actually thinking. they dont like it get out of the country. we're the victims not them they are allowed to say what they want but when someone says anything about them its racism.
immagrants IMHO should be put on a boat and sent home, tony blair and his humanitarian wife **** me off.
immagrants IMHO should be put on a boat and sent home, tony blair and his humanitarian wife **** me off.
11 January 2004, 09:09 PM
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oh sorry there u pair must be one of the better off folks around. i really would reconsider what i said if i thought i was wrong but i don't
when u think of going to Uni and then look at the price of how much its gonna cost you, then u look at the price of how much its gonna cost some immagrant it will get ur goat.
KILROY should be salluted IMHO for being brave enough to speak his mind.
[Edited to remove overtly racist comment]
[Edited by Puff The Magic Wagon! - 1/11/2004 9:30:48 PM]
when u think of going to Uni and then look at the price of how much its gonna cost you, then u look at the price of how much its gonna cost some immagrant it will get ur goat. KILROY should be salluted IMHO for being brave enough to speak his mind.
[Edited to remove overtly racist comment]
[Edited by Puff The Magic Wagon! - 1/11/2004 9:30:48 PM]
11 January 2004, 09:25 PM
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Did you know N Ireland has one of the smallest percentage of ethnic minorities in the UK. As well as some of the most racist attitudes.
Shame on you.
Can I ask how would you feel if someone said that they are glad all the bogtrotters over in N Ireland like to kill each other instead of decent folk? Not my opinion but just wondering.
[Edited by JDM - 1/11/2004 9:26:14 PM]
Shame on you.
Can I ask how would you feel if someone said that they are glad all the bogtrotters over in N Ireland like to kill each other instead of decent folk? Not my opinion but just wondering.
[Edited by JDM - 1/11/2004 9:26:14 PM]
11 January 2004, 09:34 PM
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personally i wouldnt care, cus if it where up to me i'd put all the sectarians into a football pitch lock the doors and let them get on with it and trust me do u think what goes on here doesnt go on in little ol' england? dont fool urself england and scotland are just as bad BUT irelands problems stem from historical events and people stupid enough to believe stories.
i wouldnt want you either to take offense in the fact that some wouldnt give a **** if england flooded over so people dont have to hear the tripe its people come off with. ESPECIALLY the football team. not my opinion ofcourse
im not sectarian in the slightest and up until a point i wouldnt have called myself racist, till i had my own experiences.
and trust me do u think what goes on here doesnt go on in little ol' england? dont fool urself england and scotland are just as bad BUT irelands problems stem from historical events and people stupid enough to believe stories.i wouldnt want you either to take offense in the fact that some wouldnt give a **** if england flooded over so people dont have to hear the tripe its people come off with. ESPECIALLY the football team
. not my opinion ofcourseim not sectarian in the slightest and up until a point i wouldnt have called myself racist, till i had my own experiences.
