medders

I think you should be sure you've pushed your natural limits before going down this road. I can't remember the exact amount, but the amount of muscle weight you can put on in a year is quite small.

I was 13 stone ish at 6'5" until I was 23 ish after training from 18.

I'm 19.5 stone ish now

Give it time.

Paul

[Edited by medders - 9/2/2003 10:29:34 AM]

MuppetX

CEL, as someone who has used it, did it actually do anything for you then? Any noticeable increases in size?

Tiggs, I'm not exactly a newbie. Just using a diff name for er... legal reasons!
As for the neons, my girlfriend's look cool down the side of her landing strip

[Edited by MuppetX - 9/2/2003 12:24:12 PM]

MuppetX

Getting straight to the point, I'm a skinny guy who has been working out trying to gain mass for around a year now.
I've been eating all the right things but have not gained any muscle whatsoever.

I've been reading a few articles about Dianabol and would like to know if anyone has experienced it or would recommend it.

From what I know of it, it can be taken alone but is best stacked with Deca or Sustanon, both of which I would not take as it requires injection.

Anymore info on side effects would be appreciated as would any comments.

Tiggs

brand new member asking for ppl to post up info on non-perscription drugs?

good luck!

super_si

Steriod lol id be surprised if this last's long

TelBoy

LOL, you know me Tiggs, can't resist a good steroid thread!

You already know more than most people, in that it should be stacked with injectable Deca. Why wouldn't you inject? Injectibles are waaay safer than orals, though i know many people are squeamish of needles etc.

Yes, Dianabol works well, it's been one of the most widely used anabolics over the years. Downsides are all the usual - moody git, oily skin, spots. At "abuse" levels; bitch ****, sterility, liver damage. Usually supplied in 5mg tabs. Normal dosage 2-3 per day in a six week on/off cycle, with tapered start and end. Often supplemented with estrogen blockers. Does give good results in the gym, though personally i've never used it in isolation.

super_si

Terry any chance you could make a list of all the injectables available what what they do etc.

I heard that pro strongmen + BB use nearly 2000mg

CEL

iTrader: (1)

I had a few months on decca and dianbol a few years ago.

Used to inject decca into my butt cheek twice a week, and eat 2 dianabol tablets per day.

I personally didnt get any of the usual side effects associated with steriod use.

The main thing to remember is you WONT see instant results..... proper diet, strict training routine and sleep are the essentials for sucessfully building muscle.

yoza

You asked if anyone would recommend taking oral steroids, I think not, its not exactly something you recommend.

"I recommend you ir-reverseably damage your internal organs." doesnt quite sound right.

TelBoy

LOL, that's not an inevitable consequence yoza, but you do increase your chances of damage, it's true. I think you have to be doing some pretty serious dosages before you run into real problems. I think pi55ing blood is possibly a good indication! But some guys don't stop, even then. Madness.

Tiggs

the whole SN/steroid thing is a joke.

some bloke comes on...admits hes only been training a year and is skinny and ppl are prepared to give advice on steroids.

aboslute joke.

CEL

iTrader: (1)

Tiggs

Chill out dude

Its not like we are giving advice on how to snort coke is it?

TelBoy

Tiggs - has anyone actually advocated it? I think not. Certainly not me.

With steroids, i think information, not lack of information, is more useful. Steroids are a fact of life, i don't think they should be excluded from conversation.

Tiggs

ahh, but the "its a fact so lets talk about it" is not always as healthy as people think.

when i did steroids (10 years ago) i discussed it only with one other person (my "adviser") and the air of secrecy and "wrong doing" was as much a controlling factor for me as anything else. i knew, in no uncertain terms that what i was doing was wrong and there where many things surrounding me that confirmed this to me. it didnt stop me and didnt prevent me from gathering infomation but it did help me keep a mental check on things.

someone logging on here nowadays would easily get the idea that the only problem with doing steroids if you're skinny and new to weights is that you should give it a little longer and see how you go first. there are lots of bad things about doing steroids unrelated to your ***** falling off.

T

(last point is a joke...everyone know it doesnt fall off....just goes green doesnt it?)

TelBoy

Yes, there are lots of other disadvantages, which have more chance of being aired in open discussion, no?

If the question was "Would you recommend taking steroids in my situation?", then the answer would be a resounding "no", but that isn't what was asked.

Tiggs

fair point...but they often dont.

its very easy for a "i have 10inch arms, should i do decca" post to turn into a "stack it with this that and the other" post and skip the bit that says "what you're doing is regarded as wrong by many people and if you live at home your dad will kick your ****"

T

yoza

Take my advise, go to Amazon.co.uk and order "The Steroid Bible" by Steve Gallaway £14.73, everything you need to know.

Never take advice on such a matter on a public BBS.

Tiggs

not this forum anyway, they'll have you arriving at the gym with neons on your car before you can say dumpvalve

super_si

This has to be saxo boy lmao

SPEN555

Knackers to the roids. If you want to put weight and size on start drinking guinness and stop running about all over the place burning up those precious calories.

Oh, and train ya bo!!ocks off everytime in the gym.

Over time you will lose the gains made through roids due to catching colds etc and not being able to train/eat/sleep properly. Bringing you back to square one.

LG John

ROTFLMAO So true, so true

Its not me guys, I don't have ***** size to spare I also want to do things 'naturally' to see what MY body can achieve with only ME as the driving force

LG John

Dang, another element...SLEEP!! Why is gaining muscle so bloody difficult!! How much sleep should I be getting then???

TelBoy

Good for you.

super_si

Ok ok the culprit is Marko

Tiggs

lol- well that just sums it all up.

you want to take an exercise supplement that you cant even discuss openly without changing your name!

what about the bigger picture? you married/g.friend? what will they say?

who do you train with....gonna tell them? what will they think?

or are you gonna do it all in secret?

T

MuppetX

Tiggs, It's only a discussion. I'd still rather not show my real name and have people thinking I was some drug addicted freak.

I was only asking after all and have not stated that I was going to take these things.
If I do end up taking something, of course i'd let someone know
just to be on the safe side.

super_si

lol i couldnt give a flying **** what people who i'll never meet on an internet forum think of me.

Get some *****

MuppetX

Super_si, I've met some people and would rather keep a good name.

TelBoy

Si - isn't that the problem; Mr X's will SHRINK!!

scoobyvirgin

Have you tried liquid creatine? Out of all legal substances i've been told it's the only one that works.