unclebuck

An Iranian man who sewed his eyes, lips and ears shut in protest at the way his asylum claim was handled has won his fight to stay in Britain.

Seems to me they had a real opportunity to make an example of this guy and show a firm policy on migrants claiming bogus 'asylum', but they've caved in (again). Now they have a much worse situation on their hands. W*****s.

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NotoriousREV

Why? Why should the UK guarantee a home for anyone from any country? Why the UK specifically, why not France of Germany or Lithuania?

By my reckoning, the journey from Iran to the UK takes you through 14 other countries, why shouldn't any of these countries take on Iranian refugees? We're the last stop in Europe, thats why, keep passing them down the line until they can't go any further

johnfelstead

European law states you have to claim asylum in the first country of entry to the EU to have a legitimate claim for asylum. Anyone coming to the UK via France should be deported back to France, we are ignoring the laws in place, which is pathetic.

POC

its all pathetic, spinless f*cks that run this sh*thole.....

I know!... why not just tax me even more to pay for f*ckers?

Grrrrr dont get me started

P

Sith

What POC said.

Mice_Elf

He's continuing his strike until the Home Office review their laws...although it is suspected that he just want an apology....

All the HO has to do is review their policy in say, a month, and the situation would be resolved, providing Mr Abas continues his "strike".

midget1500

errrmmmmmmmmmmmmm

WAIT A MINUTE

as john said - u have to claim asylum in the nearest country (makes sense!)...

RGHRGAHGRHAGRHAGRHAGH why can't we do something about this. so damn frustrating. why doesn't Tony & Co. just wake up one day and think, you know what, we CAN do something about these problems.

steven - really getting depressed that the UK is going downhill so fast but yet seems to be a haven for criminals.

what would scooby do

Vote BNP at next elections as a protest vote - voting lib dems or tory just as bad as labour IMHO..

All we need is to shake up that tw@ in number 10 as he represents us !!!!

Markus

Why????? this is crazy. The thing that annoyed me is this bloomin red cross place in sangatte (sp) in France. They were allowing them to come out of there into the UK. Why could they not stop this? First time I've ever heard of french police being nice! they should have shot the lot of them.

Sorry, but you should claim asylum in the first country you come to, not hang about in france then come over because we are easy.

OK, so I've never been a member of an oppressed country, so can't comment on hardships they may have endured, but come on, why should WE pay for them? We have enough soapdogers of our own without having this lot too.

boomer

They should take the guy with the stitched-up eyes and dump him in the middle of Dartmoor (or better still, Iran)!!!

It wouldn't take him very long to cut the threads, so he could see where he was going and shout for help.

He is just bathing in publicity, and the pro-asylum groups in the UK are no better.

If Iran is such a bad place, i am sure that Dubya will invade to sort things out (just like Afganistan, Iraq etc. ).

mb

camk

What exactly is the problem with someone from another country wanting to live in the UK,its not like there are not enough ****ty jobs that 'locals' won't do.
Britain was built on immigration, who built the roads and canals ? Any time we've had a booming economy it's been improved by immigrant labour. Its a true propaganda story that every immigrant claim's Social security benefit. There was a story on STV the other night where an Iranian guy, trained GP was not allowed to work due to immigration rules. Whilst we have a shortage of Doctors, the guy wanted to work and wanted to pay tax. Hey charge on as far as I'm concerned. We(The British) are often too quick to blame others and outsiders for our issues.

turboman786

CAMK...in an ideal world I would agree with your sentiments...but the very fact that people are willing to pass through many European coutries , risking life and limb to get to the UK shows that the UK is an easy target for those wanting an even easoer ride......the main benefits are

a)benefits upon arrival, a free place to live, free access to lawyers, free appeals, free schooling for kids, free NHS

b) once you've had your **** and bull story accepted by the Home Office the above beneifts for life....except the Ł37 pw benefit...goes up to Ł 50 ish a week, not to mention a house of your choice courtesy of Housing benefit.......allowing most of these folks to do cash in hand jobs...or alternatively do a spot of crime ( Albanians are notoriously running the vice industry, Nigerians indulging in beneift fraud, Algerians specialise in credit card fraud ) etc.....yes stereotypical I know but the facts speak for themselves, even a high ranking copper spoke out about this recently....

What the hell is this government thinking of??If they need immigrant labour, Im sure they can get quality, qualified people, not benfit loving hill billies.

(rant over)

camk

Perhaps English Language is the reason ? The constant quote of they should seek asylum in first country of origin is plainly just rubbish and simply a soundbite from the 'right'. We live in an island FFS, there is literaly no chance of getting here unless you fly direct or smuggled on a boat direct from the ****hole you are trying ot leave. Many Many of the people coming here are professional's , why give up everything to flee somewhre and then be content living on the Dole. I agree that some criminals and gangsters get through, however just make it clear , one strike and your out and straight back from where you came from.

johnfelstead

Are you still working in Germany Cam, or are you now back in the UK?

unclebuck

Total myth. What kind of rose tinted world do you inhabit camk? You're information is about 10 years out of date. It's nothing to do with right wing this or that - it is fact that organised gangs of criminals are operating in our country under the guise of 'asylum'.

Wake up an smell the coffee.

Oh yea, edited to say - next up terrorist gangs (if they're not already here)

UB

[Edited by unclebuck - 5/29/2003 8:20:56 PM]

NotoriousREV

Two words: Abu Hamza

turboman786

Three words: Government loves him.

camk

John,
I'm mostly working across Europe now(rarely now in the US) but 50%+ is in the UK, but I still have a house in Germany but do STILL have my place in Glasgow, which I've had for 15 years. So does that pass your test .

We have Immigrants where I live in Germany and where I live in Glasgow, the mix is different in Germany its mainly people from former Yugoslavia and in Glasgow its mostly Middle Eastern folks. The housing provided in Glasgow is far from desirable. Both communities bring issues, however they also bring diversity.

I just don't easily believe that all 'or the majority' of the crime in the UK and bad things are down to Asylum seekers. Its just too easy a target. In fact this type of quote is exactly the type of hype used by the ****'s against the Jew's in the 30's, thats why I say it right wing. Its everyone else's fault and then throw in the ubiquitous 'Asylum Seeker = Terrorist' quote. Its easy to believe everything you read in the papers.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2939280.stm

75% of Asylum seekers in Glasgow have Professional Qualifications.......maybe we just get the best ones

[Edited by camk - 5/29/2003 9:30:47 PM]

johnfelstead

I agree with the fact not all crime is asylum related, of course its not, and that's not being sugested. It would be wrong to ignore the real issues with regards to asylum seekers in this country now though, to do so is going to lead to the rise of the BNP and serious social problems in areas like Dover resulting in open violence, its already happening now.

There are laws in place that state you must claim asylum in the first port of entry to the EU, this must be enforced with a policy of redistribution throughout europe once the claim is seen as justified, the wholesale targeting of the UK has to stop, britain cant sustain it.

It is no ones right to come to the UK and live here, just as it isnt my right to go and live in the USA if i feel like it, you have to have laws and limits on who comes in, right now this simply isnt being managed properly and its going to end in anarchy and violence if its not controlled properly. This kind of thinking has nothing in common with **** Germany, they wanted to wipe out a population that was legitimately in Germany, using the ****'s as a reference isnt apropriate with regards to this issue.

camk

John,
It is valid to mention ****'s in that its a historical reference to negative mass propaganda against people, which is neither true or extremely exaggerated. The people here are here, there is a constant negative image given out, many people believe what they read in The Sun.
Note posts above, terrorism and equating that idiot with one eye and hooked hand in relation to a discussion on asylum seekers. What more do you need ?
I agree on the control of the immigration but I still personally think that immigration is not a bad thing and historically every single boom in the UK economy is backed by increased immigration. The numbers concerned are not millions either. We have a growing issue in Western Europe in that the population is shrinking and we're living longer. We either need to start breeding more or we need to backfill our up and coming workforce, the alternative is we'll all be working till we're 75.

johnfelstead

no doubt that wont be an issue for you as you will be swanning off to your villa in Florida come retirement age.

Not all imigration is bad, far from it, but this issue does need some real time spent on it in a high profile manner where people can understand what is going on and see that when people are taking the ****, they are dealt with. Right now the government is making a complete mess of the whole afair and this will lead to more negative events in future.

unclebuck

camk, are you suggesting that by objecting to organised criminals such as prostitute slave gangs, arms runners, human trafficers, etc infiltrating this country to exploit it's social system makes me a ****? If so I find your views offencive in the extreme [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

UB

camk

yes but I'll be in Florida just on my 90 day visitor visa .

You're right its a mess, they need to put some better spin into it . If they can wangle out of the amazing no WOMD in Iraq, no war needed but we did it anyway. They can surely make 100,000 foreigners a year look like a nice thing

Cheers
Cammy

camk

Buck,
I object to all people being classified as Criminals(or as you added Terrorist's) just because they are Asylum seekers. I agree the criminals/Nutters need to go but its a small minority of the 100,000 that are criminals etc. The UK has one of the lowest numbers of Assylum seekers applications per head of population in the EU. See link below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2019170.stm

[Edited by camk - 5/29/2003 10:04:56 PM]

unclebuck

Maybe, but the *majority* of those same 100,00 are *not* genuine Asylum Seekers, they are Economic Migrants. A big difference.

I see you have spent very little time in England in your recent past. This perhaps explains your rather idealistic views on the subject. There is a *real* problem here with these issues currently.

UB

camk

Buck,
You are right I spend very little time in England, I do or have spent a lot of time in Scotland, do I still qualify to comment ? I'm not idealistic, I know it brings problems and I read about it and see it on TV everyday, however the alternative is what exactly ? Fortress Britain ? Please try and read the facts I posted earlier, 75% of Glasgow Seekers are professionally qualified, we have or had one of the lowest numbers of Assylum seekers in the EU. We're not getting a tougher deal than anyone else. We have nearly full employment in the UK and many skills shortages. Think about places like Germany with 4M+ unemployed , thats where they don't need them but still take more than the UK do.

unclebuck

Fortress Britain ?

Good plan. I like it. Now you are talking sense

Well, a moretorium<sp> on asylum for the foreseeable future at least.

UB.

Sith

Fortress Britain. Good idea.

Ringpeas

There is a BIG difference between legal migration and the masses of men from poor countries looking for a better/easier life.
Take a look around a hospital and you can see that immigrants make up a large proportion off staff - we would be in a mess without them.
Somewhere along the line the boundaries between the two types have become blurred and people have become confused as to the difference.
This government does need to show a tough and consistent front to illegals, to the point that they do not want to come here in the first place as they know they will get nothing to merit the trip.

I can see no reason why we taxpayers have any obligation to pay for food, housing and medical treatment to any person from another country - just because they claim for it. We are a very crowded island already.

Amen Corner

Sorry to maker a totally facile comment in the middle of a serious discussion, but

How does that work?

Abas Amini: mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm mm mmmmmm mmmmm mmmm mm

Interpreter: I'm saddened to hear that my case has been upheld because so many of my friends and supporters are still facing deportation.

Abas Amini: mmm mmm mmmm mmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm mmmm

Interpreter: I did not ask this to be done just for me and I am not expecting it to happen just overnight.

Is this the same interpreter they used to use on Blue Peter when Joey Deacon came on?