Hmm its Saturday or would you notice if history repeated itself..
25 January 2003, 11:23 AM
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**** GERMANY’S WAR ON TERRORISM
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Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) building by a deranged Dutchman to declare a “war on terrorism,” establish his legitimacy as a leader (even though he hadn’t won a majority in the previous election).
“You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history,” he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. “This fire,” he said, his voice trembling with emotion, “is the beginning.” He used the occasion – “a sign from God,” he called it – to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their “evil” deeds in their religion.
Two weeks later, the first prison for terrorists was built in Oranianberg, holding the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the nation’s flag was everywhere, even printed in newspapers suitable for display.
Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation’s now-popular leader had pushed through legislation, in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it, that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people’s homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.
To get his patriotic “Decree on the Protection of People and State” passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack on the Reichstag building was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained.
Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. Instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as The Fatherland. As hoped, people’s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was “the” homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.
Within a year of the terrorist attack, Hitler’s advisors determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, including those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist sympathizers. He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the Fatherland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single powerful leader.
Most Americans remember his Office of Fatherland Security, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, simply by its most famous agency’s initials: the SS.
And, perhaps most important, he invited his supporters in industry into the halls of government to help build his new detention camps, his new military, and his new empire which was to herald a thousand years of peace. Industry and government worked hand-in-glove, in a new type of pseudo-democracy first proposed by Mussolini and sustained by war.
Shamelessly stolen from SA
Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) building by a deranged Dutchman to declare a “war on terrorism,” establish his legitimacy as a leader (even though he hadn’t won a majority in the previous election).
“You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history,” he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. “This fire,” he said, his voice trembling with emotion, “is the beginning.” He used the occasion – “a sign from God,” he called it – to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their “evil” deeds in their religion.
Two weeks later, the first prison for terrorists was built in Oranianberg, holding the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the nation’s flag was everywhere, even printed in newspapers suitable for display.
Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation’s now-popular leader had pushed through legislation, in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it, that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people’s homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.
To get his patriotic “Decree on the Protection of People and State” passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack on the Reichstag building was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained.
Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. Instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as The Fatherland. As hoped, people’s hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was “the” homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands.
Within a year of the terrorist attack, Hitler’s advisors determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, including those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist sympathizers. He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the Fatherland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single powerful leader.
Most Americans remember his Office of Fatherland Security, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel, simply by its most famous agency’s initials: the SS.
And, perhaps most important, he invited his supporters in industry into the halls of government to help build his new detention camps, his new military, and his new empire which was to herald a thousand years of peace. Industry and government worked hand-in-glove, in a new type of pseudo-democracy first proposed by Mussolini and sustained by war.
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25 January 2003, 07:15 PM
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Katana: Makes very interesting reading m8.
I bet you don't get many (considered) replies, let alone sensible ones, as what you have written is a matter of history, and, as such, irrefutable. Unfortunately. 'Cos I'd like to refute it, but have to agree with you instead.
Scary, innit?
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I bet you don't get many (considered) replies, let alone sensible ones, as what you have written is a matter of history, and, as such, irrefutable. Unfortunately. 'Cos I'd like to refute it, but have to agree with you instead.
Scary, innit?
:Alcazar
25 January 2003, 08:40 PM
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astraboy, thats why we (well you guys as I'm a skiver) study history in high school. So we won't repeat our predecessor's mistakes. Unfortunately this has been largely ignored by governments throughout the ages..
26 January 2003, 02:17 AM
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Do I have to choose one from the piccie above? Can I have them all at once?
Katana - Unfortunately the study of history revels that the study of history does nothing to help the studier become any better than the studyee.
Easy examples
Wet paint...(Our experience tells us that as a general rule, people don't go to the bother of getting a wet paint poster and sticking it on some nice fresh looking paint just for the craic. Why do we still need to check it?)
Don't look now but... [snapping sound of turning heads]
The message here is that I have had far far too much beer, but tomorrow I might come back and explain the deeper message, which i think may be about perception and relativity...... or else hangover cures
Katana - Unfortunately the study of history revels that the study of history does nothing to help the studier become any better than the studyee.
Easy examples
Wet paint...(Our experience tells us that as a general rule, people don't go to the bother of getting a wet paint poster and sticking it on some nice fresh looking paint just for the craic. Why do we still need to check it?)
Don't look now but... [snapping sound of turning heads]
The message here is that I have had far far too much beer, but tomorrow I might come back and explain the deeper message, which i think may be about perception and relativity...... or else hangover cures
26 January 2003, 05:35 PM
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I was gonna wade in with my Politics Degree, but I can't be arsed now as nobody seems overly bothered.
Quoting **** history in comparision to (presumably) the barmy ravings of the Americans is silly.
Without defending National Socialism in any way, your comparision is flawed because;
1) The Americans have really brought a lot of this on themselves with their percieved aggressive foreign policy
2) The ***** were able to capitalise on the national collective shame of the versailles treaty to bring about a sense of national destiny through the invasion of Europe.
3) Although culturally diverse, thirties Germany was still an insular nation - as were most around that time
4) The Germans didn't have nuclear weapons
Discuss
Quoting **** history in comparision to (presumably) the barmy ravings of the Americans is silly.
Without defending National Socialism in any way, your comparision is flawed because;
1) The Americans have really brought a lot of this on themselves with their percieved aggressive foreign policy
2) The ***** were able to capitalise on the national collective shame of the versailles treaty to bring about a sense of national destiny through the invasion of Europe.
3) Although culturally diverse, thirties Germany was still an insular nation - as were most around that time
4) The Germans didn't have nuclear weapons
Discuss
26 January 2003, 08:36 PM
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@astraboy
that is the norn iron version of bolloxed.
can also be spelled "baaleeeksed" (say it phonetically in your broadest belfast accent)
cheers
big sinky
that is the norn iron version of bolloxed.
can also be spelled "baaleeeksed" (say it phonetically in your broadest belfast accent)
cheers
big sinky
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