Art/Painting for a living.. A delicate issue..
12 March 2002, 05:24 PM
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Hi,
We have discovered that the wife has real talent for painting... yet she is adamant she isnt good enough.
(I did an art degree and she is way better than I ever was)..
Any ideas as to how I can prove to her her work is great, and show her how art can be a reasonable earner if you know the right ppl..
(she missed out on college as a kid due to her mum getting ill..)
She hates her current job (retail) and longs for a change but it quite stressful for her to take the plunge..
I want to ease her round to investigating the idea.
She has been off work with post traumatic stress disorder so isnt feeling very confident about much at all.
Again ,gotta stress its a delicate issue (going back to work) and I dont want to return to her current job (which she hates) as it aggravates her PTSD.
Any sensible suggestions info appreciated.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 1:21:34 PM]
We have discovered that the wife has real talent for painting... yet she is adamant she isnt good enough.
(I did an art degree and she is way better than I ever was)..
Any ideas as to how I can prove to her her work is great, and show her how art can be a reasonable earner if you know the right ppl..
(she missed out on college as a kid due to her mum getting ill..)
She hates her current job (retail) and longs for a change but it quite stressful for her to take the plunge..
I want to ease her round to investigating the idea.
She has been off work with post traumatic stress disorder so isnt feeling very confident about much at all.
Again ,gotta stress its a delicate issue (going back to work) and I dont want to return to her current job (which she hates) as it aggravates her PTSD.
Any sensible suggestions info appreciated.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 1:21:34 PM]
12 March 2002, 05:50 PM
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I didn't say I get £25/hour 
I just thought £25-£30 an hour was a reasonable rate for an 'amateur' artist (bear in mind that that figure has to absorb the cost of the materials).
Marconi's been a nightmare ever since I started working
The 'IT contractor' bit referred to the fact that I think it's fair to say "that painting took me 8 hours at £25 ph so I reckon £200 is a fair price", rather than looking at it and going "I reckon I can get £500 from some mug for that"
[Edited by carl - 12/3/2002 5:52:11 PM]
I just thought £25-£30 an hour was a reasonable rate for an 'amateur' artist (bear in mind that that figure has to absorb the cost of the materials).
Marconi's been a nightmare ever since I started working
The 'IT contractor' bit referred to the fact that I think it's fair to say "that painting took me 8 hours at £25 ph so I reckon £200 is a fair price", rather than looking at it and going "I reckon I can get £500 from some mug for that"
[Edited by carl - 12/3/2002 5:52:11 PM]
12 April 2002, 02:10 PM
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**EDITED
http://www.bradwarren.f9.co.uk/ !!!!
I will try to get some high quality pictures soon..The page design is only temporary til I get one done in dreamweaver.
ChrisB: drop me a mail and Ill get back to you with sizes.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 3:05:17 PM]
http://www.bradwarren.f9.co.uk/ !!!!
I will try to get some high quality pictures soon..The page design is only temporary til I get one done in dreamweaver.
ChrisB: drop me a mail and Ill get back to you with sizes.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 3:05:17 PM]
12 April 2002, 03:43 PM
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jlanng:
good point! ...fixed...!
altho' copyright is ALWAYS needed on the net.. even I know that.
anyway; thats the site.. so plz take a peek.
Will make if far sexier when I get home and muck about in dreamweaver.
BTW> Mike P @ Ogilvy.. please mail me more details.
Your message wasn't clear.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 3:58:15 PM]
good point! ...fixed...!altho' copyright is ALWAYS needed on the net.. even I know that.
anyway; thats the site.. so plz take a peek.
Will make if far sexier when I get home and muck about in dreamweaver.
BTW> Mike P @ Ogilvy.. please mail me more details.
Your message wasn't clear.
[Edited by chrome - 12/4/2002 3:58:15 PM]
12 May 2002, 01:22 AM
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Great pics
Remember you can still sell 'prints' as well as the actual artwork itself.
I personally think most of these would look fantastic as an album/CD cover, so that may be one thing to try IMHO?
[edited cos i carnt spel]
[Edited by CharlieWhiskey - 12/5/2002 1:23:19 AM]
Remember you can still sell 'prints' as well as the actual artwork itself.
I personally think most of these would look fantastic as an album/CD cover, so that may be one thing to try IMHO?
[edited cos i carnt spel]
[Edited by CharlieWhiskey - 12/5/2002 1:23:19 AM]
12 May 2002, 09:46 AM
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Are they definitely for sale? There is one that I really like, I will mail you about it. I recently commisioned someone to do an etching of a property for me. He is a semi-professional artist and charged £300 to do me 4 (same) prints. So I would say that gives an idea of what you could expect. He might have tried for a little more if I wasn't a friend.
Charlie.
[Edited by ProperCharlie - 12/5/2002 9:47:52 AM]
Charlie.
[Edited by ProperCharlie - 12/5/2002 9:47:52 AM]
12 May 2002, 11:01 AM
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Brad -
sorry, i didn't make it clear. He made an etching that the prints were made from, so they were originals. He had to go to the place, sketch the house, agree the sketch with me, then make the etching thing (I don't know exactly how the process works) then he does an ink wash thing to make a print which is then retouched by hand to create 4 same but unique prints. So it was quite a lot of work. Normally he said he would do 2 prints for £300-£400 and charge £70 for each additional one.
Charlie.
[Edited by ProperCharlie - 12/5/2002 11:03:31 AM]
sorry, i didn't make it clear. He made an etching that the prints were made from, so they were originals. He had to go to the place, sketch the house, agree the sketch with me, then make the etching thing (I don't know exactly how the process works) then he does an ink wash thing to make a print which is then retouched by hand to create 4 same but unique prints. So it was quite a lot of work. Normally he said he would do 2 prints for £300-£400 and charge £70 for each additional one.
Charlie.
[Edited by ProperCharlie - 12/5/2002 11:03:31 AM]
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03 December 2002, 05:26 PM
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Let her enjoy her art for a while, it probably helps the PTSD. Perhaps get her to do paintings as gifts for friends and family to start with, if she is good, other people will like her work and start to ask for commisions, then when she has little more confidence BAM 5 year buiness plan and an exhibiton in the Tate.
03 December 2002, 05:33 PM
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hehe
our house is crammed with huge paintings she has done in the wee hours (midnite-6pm) she does them when she cant sleep.. (often)
we are running out of room!
..she has also given a few away but only after much reassurance..
She just doesn't see how good they are..*shame* but I still cant MAKE her believe..
as for selling them she daren't.
funny tho, her Docs suggested art therapy for her.. and when she went her work exceeded that of the OT (ocuppational therapy)person running the class!!! LOL
our house is crammed with huge paintings she has done in the wee hours (midnite-6pm) she does them when she cant sleep.. (often)
we are running out of room!
..she has also given a few away but only after much reassurance..
She just doesn't see how good they are..*shame* but I still cant MAKE her believe..
as for selling them she daren't.
funny tho, her Docs suggested art therapy for her.. and when she went her work exceeded that of the OT (ocuppational therapy)person running the class!!! LOL
03 December 2002, 05:41 PM
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A hint on pricing: my art teacher told me to set yourself a reasonable hourly rate (say, £25 an hour) then price according to how long it took you. Seems fair to me (IT contractor)
03 December 2002, 05:48 PM
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tbh compared to some "art" Ive seen in shops and galleries £25 an hour is cheap!!! ..you IT lads really get all the luck.. as long as your not @ Marconi! LOL
03 December 2002, 05:50 PM
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why not stick some stuff on ebay and see how it sells. then there's no embarassment factor if you dont sell loads.
there are several artists who sell original stuff and the ones i've bought are pretty good
there are several artists who sell original stuff and the ones i've bought are pretty good
03 December 2002, 06:34 PM
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I have sold art despite having very little formal training.
Basically I made some work took images along to a local smallish gallery *** shop. I was absolutely gobsmacked that they took 3 pieces and sold them all quite quickly
I also joined Yorkshire Artspace, a studio space and got some work through being on their web site, and was approached by larger galleries nationwide and had an article in a magazine
If she is too nervous to take her stuff along to any gallery, why dont you pretend to be her agent and take it along for her?
She could also look at Artists Newsletter magazine which has details of exhibitions. basically you need to get very good quality slides or stills of her work to submit. Again, no face to face contact
However after all that, art can be very difficult to make money from, and be prepared to spend time building up the portfolio and reputation. The best money seems to come from Public Art, which is often scuptural. I know a lot of poor artists unfortunately. Ironically I used to live with one who had a show with Damien Hirst when they were both students. His work was shown as an image in the catalogue, whilst Damien's didn't feature. He now lives on the breadline Great bloke tho.
I wish her all the best tho, and if there is any more info she or you want, or just want a chat, please get in touch, I'm a crap typer, you might be best ringing me I'd be really interested to see her work
Basically I made some work took images along to a local smallish gallery *** shop. I was absolutely gobsmacked that they took 3 pieces and sold them all quite quickly
I also joined Yorkshire Artspace, a studio space and got some work through being on their web site, and was approached by larger galleries nationwide and had an article in a magazine
If she is too nervous to take her stuff along to any gallery, why dont you pretend to be her agent and take it along for her?
She could also look at Artists Newsletter magazine which has details of exhibitions. basically you need to get very good quality slides or stills of her work to submit. Again, no face to face contact
However after all that, art can be very difficult to make money from, and be prepared to spend time building up the portfolio and reputation. The best money seems to come from Public Art, which is often scuptural. I know a lot of poor artists unfortunately. Ironically I used to live with one who had a show with Damien Hirst when they were both students. His work was shown as an image in the catalogue, whilst Damien's didn't feature. He now lives on the breadline
Great bloke tho.I wish her all the best tho, and if there is any more info she or you want, or just want a chat, please get in touch, I'm a crap typer, you might be best ringing me
I'd be really interested to see her work
03 December 2002, 06:39 PM
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you could try putting a website together - as a friend of mine did for his wife
www.art4u.co.nz
... just a thought
www.art4u.co.nz
... just a thought
03 December 2002, 07:41 PM
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Thanks for al the advice!
Scoob babe just might ring you for a chat.. will mail ya in advance
here are some of her pictures:
(apologies for crap photo quality.. camera was CHEAP (sub £80)
The camera really doesnt do them justice..
oh, and copyright is on there for safety's sake
Pictures 4,5,6,8 are 1010x830 mm!!
Others are various sizes..
[Edited by chrome - 12/3/2002 7:43:01 PM]
[Edited by chrome - 12/3/2002 8:43:10 PM]
Scoob babe just might ring you for a chat.. will mail ya in advance
here are some of her pictures:
(apologies for crap photo quality.. camera was CHEAP (sub £80)
The camera really doesnt do them justice..
oh, and copyright is on there for safety's sake
Pictures 4,5,6,8 are 1010x830 mm!!
Others are various sizes..
[Edited by chrome - 12/3/2002 7:43:01 PM]
[Edited by chrome - 12/3/2002 8:43:10 PM]
03 December 2002, 07:50 PM
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I came across this site www.newbritishartists.com the other day. I think they sell artwork for new artists. Don't know much about it though.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Jer
Hope this helps
Cheers
Jer
03 December 2002, 08:03 PM
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Get them out there
Does she use acrylic or oil?
**** ******.....even tho you spelt my name wrong
Best of luck, Amanda ( part time sculptural furniture maker, part time mental health worker, full time hedonist )
[Edited by ScooBabe - 12/4/2002 9:43:47 AM]
Does she use acrylic or oil?
**** ******.....even tho you spelt my name wrong
Best of luck, Amanda ( part time sculptural furniture maker, part time mental health worker, full time hedonist
)[Edited by ScooBabe - 12/4/2002 9:43:47 AM]
03 December 2002, 08:51 PM
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Clare: plz email me as per my profile is your are seriosuly interested.
same goes for anybody else who might be interested!!
Thanks guys... wifeys got a BIG smile.. you made her day and then some..
(she's technophobic so I do the "techy" stuff )
same goes for anybody else who might be interested!!
Thanks guys... wifeys got a BIG smile.. you made her day and then some..
(she's technophobic so I do the "techy" stuff
)