coolangatta

A conservative estimate of deaths attributable to the flu this year, in the US alone, is 10 to 16 thousand.
Why isn't this headline news when coronavirus is?

IdonthaveaScooby

Don’t think ord flu kills young healthy people much

coolangatta

So only young people are important?
Do we know the average age of the people who have died from coronavirus complications?

IdonthaveaScooby

Yep , once over 50 forget it


Natural wastage

coolangatta

RobsyUK

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I'm in 2 mins about Corona.
one side I hear it's like flu and already sick people will be the most affected. The other side is videos in China of wards of dead people. Cars being stopped in the road, temp taking and then the person being dragged to a van.
is the Western world playing it down to reduce panic and fear?

My wifes company have stopped anyone travelling to China for the foreseeable future and are getting everyone out.

I just want my iPhones made 😬

andy97

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Corona virus death rates across ages

80+ 14%
70-79+ 8%
60-69 3.6%
50-59 1.3%
40-49 0.4%
30-39 0.2%
20-29 0.2%
10-19 0.2%
<10 0%

Far far too much hysterical reporting

More deaths in the USA this year alone from common flu. some 16,000 desths

Just a couple of years ago in the UK the death rate for flu was 28,000 in one season. average death rate from flu in the UK is 17,000

These deaths rates could be reduced by helping those with respiratory disease by reducing local pollution from vehicles and industry

BMWhere?

Neither does the Corona virus!

The difference is the old people get flu jabs each year for normal flu and their immune system is generally tolerant to it any way. With Corona (or any new virus), there is no immunisation and nobody has a natural resistance. The death rate is lower than SARS was, but in comparison Corona is highly infectious so is spreading extremely quickly.

While many people die from flu each year, the mortality rate is extremely low, possibly around 0.03% in a bad year, so for Corona with a mortality rate of around 0.4%, you are significantly more likely to be killed by it than the common flu, even if the chances are still extremely low!

Oh, and of course the British press loves nothing more than to scare the **** out of the public

ALi-B

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IIRC was a recent flu jab proven to be ‘faulty’ as being ineffective against the common strains of virus around at the time, resulting in a significant and large rise in the death rate as a consequence. Quoted at being between 4000 and 50,000 depending on which tabloid you read!

Yet really, once reported, it faded out the headlines pretty quick. Little or no inquiry by politicians or follow up was published. Seems like it was shrugged off as ‘s**t happens’.

Cue conspiracy theories that the Russians released it in China to crush Western economies by killing their main supply chain!

LewisScoob

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unless 70-79 is meant to be 80% your percentages are missing big gap...

andy97

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-Current death rate for folk aged 70-79 is 8% from Corona Virus

LewisScoob

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so the list above only accounts for 27.9%... Wheres the other 72.1%?

andy97

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Eh!?

If you're 70-79 in age, 8% are dying in that age group or 92% aren't

So far under 10s no one has died yet

You dont add up the percentage points

MNA24

It's the percentage mortality rate for each age group, it's not an age demographic for a population that should total 100%. For example people aged 10-19 there is a 0.2% chance, it would result in death. I'm not great with Maths but that's what I got from it.

IdonthaveaScooby

is that a nationwide survey ?

BMWhere?

Each year the flu virus mutates meaning the immunisation jab has to be constantly updated to remain effective. The jab for next season is developed around a year in advance trying to predict the mutations which may occur in the future. If the mutations are significantly different from the predictions made in the jab, then the effectiveness of the jab will be reduced and the number of deaths will increase.

Your own immune system remembers what it has previously fought, so you can never get the same strain of flu again. If the mutations are small from what you have already had, then you may see mild flu symptoms for each new strain, but you won't get full blown flu symptoms due to your body already having partial immunity from previous similar strains. Its only in the case of significant mutation that you'll ever really get full on flu!

In the case of Corona, it is essentially also a flu virus, but a strain which is unrelated from anything our bodies have previously had to deal with, so there is far less chance that when we catch it, our bodies can cope with it before we develop severe flu symptoms. It does however seem that this virus is not particularly aggressive, so a healthy immune system can deal with it quickly enough in most people that only relatively mild symptoms are experienced.

Tidgy

No new wars brewing, no new brexit stuff, what else are the pres suposed to cause panic about?

IdonthaveaScooby

Flooding !

Tidgy

thats only local, why bother with a bit of water locally when you can cause world wide panic?

An0n0m0us

The WHO claim global flu mortality is as high as 650k people a year. That is an astonishingly high number of deaths in comparison to corona and sars etc yet no one bats an eyelid if someone has flu. Even more serious and probably the most deadly infectious disease on the planet right now is ebola and again there is no hysteria in the news about that because if the press publicised ebola as much as they have corona there would be mass hysteria from the worrying about what ebola does to you and how infectious it is. Thankfully the experts are doing a damn good job of containing it in central Africa but it's a constant threat as it's never eradicated. I'm just waiting for the various terrorist organisations to get hold of ebola or even coronavirus and spread it in highly populated areas.

ALi-B

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Then we have norovirus, estimated at 200,000 deaths and rotovirus is around 400,000 (mostly children).

Caught that last year on an overnight ferry and yeah, it’s s**t (literally), I can see how it could kill if you are already weak or an infant. Even now I suffer consequences; My once cast iron stomach appears to be now intolerant of fish

IdonthaveaScooby

Ebola isn’t airborne disease, so nothing like flu

An0n0m0us

Where did I say it was? It's a highly infectious disease and deadly which is why I mentioned it. It's spread by bodily fluids whether blood, sweat, saliva or any other bodily fluid so easily transmitted.

JDM_Stig

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Can only humans carry this virus?

andy97

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A dog of a owner who has contracted Corona virus has tested positive, supposedly the first case of human to another animal

lozgti1

WTF! lol

lozgti1

The press. You gotta love 'em

coolangatta

I hate our press/media, BBC/ITV/ Channel 4 and all of the papers. Absolute **** stiring, panic merchants who if, god forbid, we ever had to deal with anything really serious, will be a massive danger to our order, safety and security.
They're peddlers of myths, rumours, half truths and outright lies.
I think 'our' press undermines our communities and the country as a whole.
Will there be a backlash against these sinister, insidious organisations? I hope so.

andy97

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Looking forward to BBC'S pay to view policy

coolangatta

At times of public concern you would expect the BBC, PAID FOR BY US ALL, to be a moderator against the dearth of crap that spews from social media and 'lesser' media outlets.
However, it is with a very heavy heart that I can confirm that moderate/balanced reporting is dead and hurriedly covered in a shallow grave by the BBC.