Remember when Subaru drivers would wave at each other
#1
Remember when Subaru drivers would wave at each other
It seems now Tesla owners do the same. This is our car next to another this morning. They are becoming more popular. Infact that's what our drive looks like blue S, red 3
I saw four Tesla's this morning
I saw four Tesla's this morning
#4
Pontificating
Granted they have bundles of Torque and that's where it ends, bar the i8 most look drab and sound, well there is no sound.
Car ownership for the majority means nothing it's a metal box to get from A to B with the practicality they need but for the rest of us it's about heightening the senses.
Car ownership for the majority means nothing it's a metal box to get from A to B with the practicality they need but for the rest of us it's about heightening the senses.
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Granted they have bundles of Torque and that's where it ends, bar the i8 most look drab and sound, well there is no sound.
Car ownership for the majority means nothing it's a metal box to get from A to B with the practicality they need but for the rest of us it's about heightening the senses.
Car ownership for the majority means nothing it's a metal box to get from A to B with the practicality they need but for the rest of us it's about heightening the senses.
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Tesla were late to the party as a car manufacturer and had the opportunity to do whatever they wanted, without any preconceived ideas or rules around brand, heritage etc and they ended up producing something that looks like a Citroen C5. A real shame.
Incidentally both Android or iOS have better battery life
Incidentally both Android or iOS have better battery life
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Tesla were late to the party as a car manufacturer and had the opportunity to do whatever they wanted, without any preconceived ideas or rules around brand, heritage etc and they ended up producing something that looks like a Citroen C5. A real shame.
Incidentally both Android or iOS have better battery life
Incidentally both Android or iOS have better battery life
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#18
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If people really want to be green a lightweight small petrol engined car is about as good as it gets. But god forbid they have to give up aircon and that nice leather interior for the environment lol
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Unless we suddenly get huge solar farms or dozens of nuclear power stations (no thanks) we’re never going to be able to charge an all electric car revolution.
Youve only got to look at the cost of charging an EV and compare that to your current electricity usage to realise our (already stretched) electricity network is never going to cope with it (I’d guess the supply network would need doubling at least)
I know it’s about efficiency but the charge is still coming from burning fossil fuels (mostly)
I also think if petrol heads are being persecuted then EV’s should be as frugal as possible. Doesn’t anyone else find it bloody stupid that these high performance EV’s are just stupid fast, they do a few drag launches and need charging up again (using fossil fuel) IMO if it’s about the environment it should be about them being as efficient as possible and really nobody needs to go faster than 70mph and accelerate at say 10 sec 0-60 pace (although really doesn’t need to be that fast).
What we need to do is think about reducing the world population, more space, more plants (you know the ones that turn co2 into sugar and oxygen)
But nope, we’re going to keep growing the world population until we’re all crammed into rented boxes, renting EV’s and even our tiny carbon footprint (per head) will mean we’ll be producing more co2 than we are today but with less space and less plants and trees.
Youve only got to look at the cost of charging an EV and compare that to your current electricity usage to realise our (already stretched) electricity network is never going to cope with it (I’d guess the supply network would need doubling at least)
I know it’s about efficiency but the charge is still coming from burning fossil fuels (mostly)
I also think if petrol heads are being persecuted then EV’s should be as frugal as possible. Doesn’t anyone else find it bloody stupid that these high performance EV’s are just stupid fast, they do a few drag launches and need charging up again (using fossil fuel) IMO if it’s about the environment it should be about them being as efficient as possible and really nobody needs to go faster than 70mph and accelerate at say 10 sec 0-60 pace (although really doesn’t need to be that fast).
What we need to do is think about reducing the world population, more space, more plants (you know the ones that turn co2 into sugar and oxygen)
But nope, we’re going to keep growing the world population until we’re all crammed into rented boxes, renting EV’s and even our tiny carbon footprint (per head) will mean we’ll be producing more co2 than we are today but with less space and less plants and trees.
#22
Unless you're in the national grid and part of the discussion of energy capacity and future supply, then your comments are ignorant. Also attaching every form of electrical charging to fossil fuels again shows your ignorance and bias against EVs. All EVs have immense torque compared to ICE vehicles, thats the perk of electric motors.
A plus side, I agree that population control is required to limit our environmental impact.
So not totally chastised
A plus side, I agree that population control is required to limit our environmental impact.
So not totally chastised
Unless we suddenly get huge solar farms or dozens of nuclear power stations (no thanks) we’re never going to be able to charge an all electric car revolution.
Youve only got to look at the cost of charging an EV and compare that to your current electricity usage to realise our (already stretched) electricity network is never going to cope with it (I’d guess the supply network would need doubling at least)
I know it’s about efficiency but the charge is still coming from burning fossil fuels (mostly)
I also think if petrol heads are being persecuted then EV’s should be as frugal as possible. Doesn’t anyone else find it bloody stupid that these high performance EV’s are just stupid fast, they do a few drag launches and need charging up again (using fossil fuel) IMO if it’s about the environment it should be about them being as efficient as possible and really nobody needs to go faster than 70mph and accelerate at say 10 sec 0-60 pace (although really doesn’t need to be that fast).
What we need to do is think about reducing the world population, more space, more plants (you know the ones that turn co2 into sugar and oxygen)
But nope, we’re going to keep growing the world population until we’re all crammed into rented boxes, renting EV’s and even our tiny carbon footprint (per head) will mean we’ll be producing more co2 than we are today but with less space and less plants and trees.
Youve only got to look at the cost of charging an EV and compare that to your current electricity usage to realise our (already stretched) electricity network is never going to cope with it (I’d guess the supply network would need doubling at least)
I know it’s about efficiency but the charge is still coming from burning fossil fuels (mostly)
I also think if petrol heads are being persecuted then EV’s should be as frugal as possible. Doesn’t anyone else find it bloody stupid that these high performance EV’s are just stupid fast, they do a few drag launches and need charging up again (using fossil fuel) IMO if it’s about the environment it should be about them being as efficient as possible and really nobody needs to go faster than 70mph and accelerate at say 10 sec 0-60 pace (although really doesn’t need to be that fast).
What we need to do is think about reducing the world population, more space, more plants (you know the ones that turn co2 into sugar and oxygen)
But nope, we’re going to keep growing the world population until we’re all crammed into rented boxes, renting EV’s and even our tiny carbon footprint (per head) will mean we’ll be producing more co2 than we are today but with less space and less plants and trees.
#23
Scooby Regular
So where is your leccy going to be coming from ??!
since the rest us are so ignorant
since the rest us are so ignorant
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#24
Never mind the carbon footprint, unless someone comes up with some alternative quickly, EV will hit a brick wall because there simply isn't enough cobalt and lithium to allow even a small percentage of ICE cars to be scrapped in favour of them.
And we haven't even touched on the human right s issues around mining this stuff as it's mainly mined from third world countries.
ICE needs to go, but battery cars aren't a viable option unless there is a step change in tech.
That said, I'd have an i8 or Tesla 3S
And we haven't even touched on the human right s issues around mining this stuff as it's mainly mined from third world countries.
ICE needs to go, but battery cars aren't a viable option unless there is a step change in tech.
That said, I'd have an i8 or Tesla 3S
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The drawbacks of hydrogen use are high carbon emissions intensity when produced from natural gas, capital cost burden, low energy content per unit volume at ambient conditions, production and compression of hydrogen, the investment required in filling stations to dispense hydrogen, transportation of hydrogen to filling stations and lack of ability to produce or dispense hydrogen at home.
it would seem that moving around, unless by foot or bicycle, is inherently bad
#27
Scooby Senior
Tesla are under fire about the safety of their Auto-Pilot system.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/25/2...probable-cause
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/25/2...-crash-hearing
To be fair, this is not just a problem for Tesla, but generally for the Auto industry introducing more and more "Driver Aids" that increasingly offer drivers more safety critical features implemented in software without an update to the relevant software safety standards.
The current MISRA standards were never designed for the level of safety critical features now being added to cars. They need a new set of standards or to adopt the DO-178C standards used in the aerospace industry and also to start developing in a safe programming language like 'Ada' or 'Spark' rather than the ultimate hacker language 'C'!
Tesla are probably the worst though with their Auto-Pilot system which is basically being Beta-Tested on the public!
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/25/2...probable-cause
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/25/2...-crash-hearing
To be fair, this is not just a problem for Tesla, but generally for the Auto industry introducing more and more "Driver Aids" that increasingly offer drivers more safety critical features implemented in software without an update to the relevant software safety standards.
The current MISRA standards were never designed for the level of safety critical features now being added to cars. They need a new set of standards or to adopt the DO-178C standards used in the aerospace industry and also to start developing in a safe programming language like 'Ada' or 'Spark' rather than the ultimate hacker language 'C'!
Tesla are probably the worst though with their Auto-Pilot system which is basically being Beta-Tested on the public!
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#29
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Wow that is a big price increase. If his sums are right it is cheaper for his situation to run 6 litre V12 (about 5 mins in) than a none Tesla EV.
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#30
Scooby Regular
Unless you're in the national grid and part of the discussion of energy capacity and future supply, then your comments are ignorant. Also attaching every form of electrical charging to fossil fuels again shows your ignorance and bias against EVs. All EVs have immense torque compared to ICE vehicles, thats the perk of electric motors.
A plus side, I agree that population control is required to limit our environmental impact.
So not totally chastised
A plus side, I agree that population control is required to limit our environmental impact.
So not totally chastised