JTaylor

Well, I voted Labour in the last election, mainly as a protest against the Tories presiding over the omni-shambles that is Brexit, but also because I was seduced by the social justice that Corbyn peddled. Anyway, now's the time to return to my roots. I'm a white, Christian, heterosexual, traditional, patriarchal capitalist. I need to be honest about that and I ought to be loyal to my heritage. I've thought long and hard about it over the last couple of months and can't stomach the Neo-Marxist, relativist postmodernism that underpins the opposition. Who was I kidding?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Don't be afraid to admit that no leading political party exists that supports your position litical viewpoint.

But by all means vote for the lesser of the two evils, even if it means voting for a current cabinet that. is more of a shambles than the last three batches (and that's putting it mildly).

dpb

Would this happen under labour
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8050006.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7598391.html

Thats your new Secretary of State for International Development

JTaylor

I'm an Edmund Burke conservative when all's said and done. I'd probably spoil my vote if there were an election tomorrow.

Dingdongler

Yes, Corbyn's Labour can solve every problem in the UK

ALi-B

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If an effective viral campaign was started to encourage vote spoiling to display the public's rejection of the listed parties and current voting system, I would happily join in.

If Corbyn can get this far with what is partly a viral campaign, then there is a remote possibility to get enough numbers to get Westminster's attention.


When I get the time I intend to read Robert Peston's latest book. His synopsis seems to side on the view that the electorate is increasingly voting as a protest rather in support.

Tidgy

Labour would borrow beyond what we could afford as country. Reason were in such a state now is because of how much labour borrowed back when they were last in power.

Corbyn is trying to win by promising things that will financial wreck the country, but as long as he gets to go to galstonbury eh.

Martin2005

By 2020 the government will have borrowed more than all Labour governments put together.

HarryB

That's an interesting statement (and one I am inclined to agree with).

Are you saying in a roundabout way that it's the younger generation (those most likely to engage with such a campaign (citation needed)) who need to be swayed to make enough of a difference, or simply that you wouldn't bother spoiling your vote unless you knew that's what most people were doing?

If the latter, it only takes one person to start a revolution!

Peedee

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I personally am amazed at how people have fallen for Corbyn and his policies? For whatever reason, people seem to believe every single one of his promises and that somehow, all the money required for said policies will magically appear and everything will be rosey by just taxing a tiny percentage of rich people. Young people have been completely taken in by the use of a beard, scruffy clothes and a few visits to music festivals, because apparently this now constitutes being ‘one of the people’ and being in touch with demographics .

As much as I would NEVER vote labour anyway, the mere thought of Dianne Abbott being in charge of anything feels me with absolute terror!

SWRTWannabe

https://fullfact.org/economy/government-borrowing/

hedgecutter

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How many of you know someone involved in party politics? In my experience, knowing a few on both sides of the spectrum, at local and national levels, they are without exception VERY odd people. hence, I trust none of them. They will tell you anything to get in your pants.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Probably a bit of both to be honest. I'll give Corbyn's campaign deserved credit for actually getting a decent voter turnout, even though I don't want him as a leader, I appreciate his efforts to get people voting.

Personally, I have been a strategic voter for the last 16years, as I live in a constituency that swings between Labour and Conservative with a poor voter turnout. I see little point in voting for a minority party or spoiling a ballot if it were to count for nothing. However if a good campaign that encouraged a "non of the above" stance became viral on a large scale, yes, I would join in.

It may take one person to do that; But he or she will need a damn good PR guy behind the scenes to work the magic (or spin). Preferably by not plastering "battle buses" with dubious statements.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

But why?

Tidgy

yes, because we are paying interest on the intersest on borrowing labour did.

untill the deficit is cleared we arn't paying back a penny.

Martin2005

LOL your logic is amazing...

When Labour borrow money it's Labour's fault, when the Tories borrow money it Labour's fault.

OK whatever, no point in debating this with you. You just believe what you want.

alcazar

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So refute it?
With evidence...not your usual, "No, no, no it doesn't" and then running away...

Tidgy

There is nothing to debate, your just not understanding the problem enough to understand exactly whats happening. What do you think happens if you can't pay the interest cos you have borrowed so much?

typical labour idea to spend your way out of problems, But none of the 'spend to earn' policies labour have ever come up with ever deliver what they promise.

Untill we can afford to pay back more than the interest each year the debt will keep growing. That is what deficit is and what labour left us with in heaps. 2010 when they lost the election deficit was £103 billion, last year it was at £40billion, this year looks to be around £20 billion. so under the latest gov is dropped 80%. and untill that gets to 0% and goes the other way the debt will only increase.

That is fact, but don't let facts get in the way eh

Martin2005

J8How often in living memory have we ran a surplus?

How many time have the Tories managed this.

The problem is I think you need to this simplistic tribal bs. 'Tories good , Labour bad'. Mostly it comes across like Facebook meme that you 'liked'.

Both Labour and Tories share equal responsibility for the National debt, pretending it's all one sides fault, is basically giving the Tories a pass for their poor economic decisions.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

So you'll be supporting Mr Corbyn next time around? Presumably it's his turn to **** it all up.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

But Gorgon sold the gold reserves when the price was low.
Proper clever move

Martin2005

Hell will freeze over before I'd vote for Corbyn

Martin2005

Indeed, although that's a much over rated and over used example.

I'm not claiming Labour are great at running the economy, I was just pushing back on the simplistic argument being used by Tidgy

alcazar

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Meanwhile, the French elected a lying socialist, (are there any other types?), in Hollande, who promised to spend them out of recession and austerity.
As soon as he was elected he went back on his promises, saying it wouldn't work since he didn't have all the facts before....
But hey, his snout was firmly in the trough, so fek the lot of you, lol

Now they have run scared of the right and elected another socialist liar....

And we should do the same?

Aye...right....

hodgy0_2

Lol, very good and true

And don't forget Gordon Brown caused the global financial meltdown

neil-h

So for the avoidance of any doubt, what exactly would you prefer?

Tidgy

O dont get me wrong, i think there all a shower of *****. Like how trump got in, the cons (see what i did there ) are the lesser of two evils

legb4rsk

Is the austerity program working?

The rich are getting richer & the poor are getting poorer.

So it is!

stilover

I think the resurgence Labour are enjoying, is with the youth vote.


The youth who were far too young to know what state Labour left the economy in when they lost the election. Over borrowing, over spending, and the pot ran dry.


Yes times are tough, and cuts need to be made, but all Labour are saying is Tax the rich. Tax the big corporations with excess profits. Free University education for all. All sound-bites that appeal to the youth.


Only ........ The Rich contribute more in taxes that the majority put together. Tax the rich too much, and they'll leave. Raising corporation tax is the biggest mistake Labour could make. It's been proven lowering corporation tax increases revenue for HMRC. The big corporations with excess profits, don't pay tax anyway. It'll be small and medium sized companies who need every penny they can get, who will end up footing the bill. No mention of small companies with the a turn-over of say less than £250,000 paying a reduced level? No. They'll have to pay the same rate as a company earning Millions.


And as for free education? University is a choice not a right.

^Qwerty^

I remember the mid to late 70's and that was not a good time either; that might have been down to the unions and 'everybody out' mentality, but of course, they were and continue to prop up the Labour party.