Bothered about Remembrance Day?
08 November 2017, 10:17 PM
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Bothered about Remembrance Day?
I am. Had my poppy over a week. Cannot even imagine for one minute what they went through
we have lived in a soft world ever since and I'm a bit sad many don't think about it.Always observed 2 minute silence too. People used to stop their cars for 2 minutes
And where the heck football comes into it I have no bloody idea.
we have lived in a soft world ever since and I'm a bit sad many don't think about it.Always observed 2 minute silence too. People used to stop their cars for 2 minutesAnd where the heck football comes into it I have no bloody idea.
08 November 2017, 11:22 PM
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I am. Had my poppy over a week. Cannot even imagine for one minute what they went through we have lived in a soft world ever since and I'm a bit sad many don't think about it.Always observed 2 minute silence too. People used to stop their cars for 2 minutes
And where the heck football comes into it I have no bloody idea.
we have lived in a soft world ever since and I'm a bit sad many don't think about it.Always observed 2 minute silence too. People used to stop their cars for 2 minutesAnd where the heck football comes into it I have no bloody idea.
Agree. I often think how blessed I have been to live in UK and Europe in peace for so long. So my thanks and respect to those who gave their lives to keep me and my family safe. God bless them.
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08 November 2017, 11:44 PM
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I regularly visit a college in Essex. There is a poppy collection on the reception desk as soon as you walk through the main entrance, it’s highly visible. I have yet to see one single student wearing a poppy, and have only seen 2 tutors wearing them.....sad times. I personally think there are two main reason why the younger generation are like this. The first is the anti-war, socialist lefty PC brigade who like to implant their views into the young and naive, and the second is just sheer ignorance on behalf of the teenagers. If something doesn’t directly benefit them, it’s boring and they’re not interested, simple as that. Wearing a poppy doesn’t match with their stone-island full tracksuit so that’s a no goer aswell. I visit this college 4 times a week and speak to plenty of students, so please don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. You may have a different view, that’s fine, but I’m speaking from experience.
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08 November 2017, 11:54 PM
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I remember being a lad in the scouts there used to be a massive parade in a town near us, all the groups would meet up from the whole county and parade through the town ending up at the big church. Nothing happens these days apart from a couple of old folk sat in the tesco foyer.
Great grandfather died as a pilot and grandfather survived dday landings and the war as a sniper.
Great grandfather died as a pilot and grandfather survived dday landings and the war as a sniper.
09 November 2017, 12:15 AM
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I Lay the wreath at our war memorial and church
and then march with the mayor ,Councillors and troops to our church for our annual remembrance service we always have a few hundred turnout to witness the parade in our town
Well supported in Cumbria
and then march with the mayor ,Councillors and troops to our church for our annual remembrance service we always have a few hundred turnout to witness the parade in our town
Well supported in Cumbria
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09 November 2017, 08:53 AM
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I regularly visit a college in Essex. There is a poppy collection on the reception desk as soon as you walk through the main entrance, it’s highly visible. I have yet to see one single student wearing a poppy, and have only seen 2 tutors wearing them.....sad times. I personally think there are two main reason why the younger generation are like this. The first is the anti-war, socialist lefty PC brigade who like to implant their views into the young and naive, and the second is just sheer ignorance on behalf of the teenagers. If something doesn’t directly benefit them, it’s boring and they’re not interested, simple as that. Wearing a poppy doesn’t match with their stone-island full tracksuit so that’s a no goer aswell. I visit this college 4 times a week and speak to plenty of students, so please don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. You may have a different view, that’s fine, but I’m speaking from experience.
As for the 2nd part of your statement that's highlighted... The same could be said of the soldiers that fight these wars... victims of social conditioning and propaganda...even more so in recent times... at the end of the day it's never the people that start the wars that end up fighting them and dying "for the cause" they also never profit from them....
I doubt the war mongers would be so keen if they had to lead the charge into machine gun fire, instead of sitting in a reinforced concrete bunker half a mile underground.
My mother lost her father at the age of 5... something she's never gotten over, he's buried in France, we went to see his grave about 10yrs ago... rows upon rows of headstones.
The thing we NEED to remember is the needles loss of life... there's no "Glory" in slaughter.
TBH having spent so much time in the Forces one would like to think people such as yourself would have come to this realisation.
09 November 2017, 10:53 AM
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Even the Bosch are going to wear poppy armbands on Friday at Wembley.
http://news.sky.com/story/england-an...mbley-11119232
http://news.sky.com/story/england-an...mbley-11119232
09 November 2017, 01:13 PM
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I remember being a lad in the scouts there used to be a massive parade in a town near us, all the groups would meet up from the whole county and parade through the town ending up at the big church. Nothing happens these days apart from a couple of old folk sat in the tesco foyer.
Great grandfather died as a pilot and grandfather survived dday landings and the war as a sniper.
Great grandfather died as a pilot and grandfather survived dday landings and the war as a sniper.
I'll be there on Sunday (and Saturday).
09 November 2017, 01:18 PM
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I give to Poppy collections, and visit Poperinge in Flanders every year, where my uncle ( not many can say that) is buried, died 19th November 1917, aged 19. I have taken my children to most major WW1 battlefields. However, I chose not to wear a Poppy unless at a function that requires one. Should I?
09 November 2017, 09:42 PM
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I think we should all be anti war... to many lives devastated by it... on all sides, regardless of the "who's right and who's wrong".
As for the 2nd part of your statement that's highlighted... The same could be said of the soldiers that fight these wars... victims of social conditioning and propaganda...even more so in recent times... at the end of the day it's never the people that start the wars that end up fighting them and dying "for the cause" they also never profit from them....
I doubt the war mongers would be so keen if they had to lead the charge into machine gun fire, instead of sitting in a reinforced concrete bunker half a mile underground.
My mother lost her father at the age of 5... something she's never gotten over, he's buried in France, we went to see his grave about 10yrs ago... rows upon rows of headstones.
The thing we NEED to remember is the needles loss of life... there's no "Glory" in slaughter.
TBH having spent so much time in the Forces one would like to think people such as yourself would have come to this realisation.
As for the 2nd part of your statement that's highlighted... The same could be said of the soldiers that fight these wars... victims of social conditioning and propaganda...even more so in recent times... at the end of the day it's never the people that start the wars that end up fighting them and dying "for the cause" they also never profit from them....
I doubt the war mongers would be so keen if they had to lead the charge into machine gun fire, instead of sitting in a reinforced concrete bunker half a mile underground.
My mother lost her father at the age of 5... something she's never gotten over, he's buried in France, we went to see his grave about 10yrs ago... rows upon rows of headstones.
The thing we NEED to remember is the needles loss of life... there's no "Glory" in slaughter.
TBH having spent so much time in the Forces one would like to think people such as yourself would have come to this realisation.
Would YOU fight for your liberty or are you too scared?
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10 November 2017, 02:02 AM
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You're doing exactly what you've been taught to do.
Ones ability to speak isn't something that can be taken away.
Insulting and suggesting that I'm some sort of coward because I don't want to be come a poor misguided fool and kill other poor misguided fools.
War is like that kid in school that get's someone of low IQ to fight someone they're too afraid to fight themselves... or uses a gang to pick on someone because they're different.
10 November 2017, 12:41 PM
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Seriously, really seriously, just try and think about it for yourself for a moment.
You're doing exactly what you've been taught to do.
Ones ability to speak isn't something that can be taken away.
Insulting and suggesting that I'm some sort of coward because I don't want to be come a poor misguided fool and kill other poor misguided fools.
War is like that kid in school that get's someone of low IQ to fight someone they're too afraid to fight themselves... or uses a gang to pick on someone because they're different.
You're doing exactly what you've been taught to do.
Ones ability to speak isn't something that can be taken away.
Insulting and suggesting that I'm some sort of coward because I don't want to be come a poor misguided fool and kill other poor misguided fools.
War is like that kid in school that get's someone of low IQ to fight someone they're too afraid to fight themselves... or uses a gang to pick on someone because they're different.
Usual shyte, and I guess you're talking about yourself in that last paragraph.
10 November 2017, 01:25 PM
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Even the Bosch are going to wear poppy armbands on Friday at Wembley.
http://news.sky.com/story/england-an...mbley-11119232
http://news.sky.com/story/england-an...mbley-11119232
You should visit a German war cemetery if you ever have chance. Very sombre, hardly any flowers, dark stone grave stones, many with multiple burials. the French refused, understandably, to cede them much land to bury their dead, and they couldn't afford, nor were they allowed, to repatriate all the bodies.
Sad, really.
10 November 2017, 01:29 PM
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Seriously, really seriously, just try and think about it for yourself for a moment.
You're doing exactly what you've been taught to do.
Ones ability to speak isn't something that can be taken away.
Insulting and suggesting that I'm some sort of coward because I don't want to be come a poor misguided fool and kill other poor misguided fools.
War is like that kid in school that get's someone of low IQ to fight someone they're too afraid to fight themselves... or uses a gang to pick on someone because they're different.
You're doing exactly what you've been taught to do.
Ones ability to speak isn't something that can be taken away.
Insulting and suggesting that I'm some sort of coward because I don't want to be come a poor misguided fool and kill other poor misguided fools.
War is like that kid in school that get's someone of low IQ to fight someone they're too afraid to fight themselves... or uses a gang to pick on someone because they're different.
Have I insulted you? How?
Until you have fought in a war then I suggest you keep your school play ground bully comments to yourself. But I would challenge you to provide your evidence for the low IQ quote you have come up with?
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10 November 2017, 01:31 PM
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They lost millions of men too.
You should visit a German war cemetery if you ever have chance. Very sombre, hardly any flowers, dark stone grave stones, many with multiple burials. the French refused, understandably, to cede them much land to bury their dead, and they couldn't afford, nor were they allowed, to repatriate all the bodies.
Sad, really.
You should visit a German war cemetery if you ever have chance. Very sombre, hardly any flowers, dark stone grave stones, many with multiple burials. the French refused, understandably, to cede them much land to bury their dead, and they couldn't afford, nor were they allowed, to repatriate all the bodies.
Sad, really.
10 November 2017, 02:05 PM
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I think we should all be anti war... to many lives devastated by it... on all sides, regardless of the "who's right and who's wrong".
As for the 2nd part of your statement that's highlighted... The same could be said of the soldiers that fight these wars... victims of social conditioning and propaganda...even more so in recent times... at the end of the day it's never the people that start the wars that end up fighting them and dying "for the cause" they also never profit from them....
I doubt the war mongers would be so keen if they had to lead the charge into machine gun fire, instead of sitting in a reinforced concrete bunker half a mile underground.
My mother lost her father at the age of 5... something she's never gotten over, he's buried in France, we went to see his grave about 10yrs ago... rows upon rows of headstones.
The thing we NEED to remember is the needles loss of life... there's no "Glory" in slaughter.
TBH having spent so much time in the Forces one would like to think people such as yourself would have come to this realisation.
As for the 2nd part of your statement that's highlighted... The same could be said of the soldiers that fight these wars... victims of social conditioning and propaganda...even more so in recent times... at the end of the day it's never the people that start the wars that end up fighting them and dying "for the cause" they also never profit from them....
I doubt the war mongers would be so keen if they had to lead the charge into machine gun fire, instead of sitting in a reinforced concrete bunker half a mile underground.
My mother lost her father at the age of 5... something she's never gotten over, he's buried in France, we went to see his grave about 10yrs ago... rows upon rows of headstones.
The thing we NEED to remember is the needles loss of life... there's no "Glory" in slaughter.
TBH having spent so much time in the Forces one would like to think people such as yourself would have come to this realisation.
It's about respect! It's respect for all those that have given their lives. Not just our fallen but ALL fallen.
Respect!
Perhaps you should show some.
10 November 2017, 03:00 PM
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They lost millions of men too.
You should visit a German war cemetery if you ever have chance. Very sombre, hardly any flowers, dark stone grave stones, many with multiple burials. the French refused, understandably, to cede them much land to bury their dead, and they couldn't afford, nor were they allowed, to repatriate all the bodies.
Sad, really.
You should visit a German war cemetery if you ever have chance. Very sombre, hardly any flowers, dark stone grave stones, many with multiple burials. the French refused, understandably, to cede them much land to bury their dead, and they couldn't afford, nor were they allowed, to repatriate all the bodies.
Sad, really.
I did visit the Argentine cemetery at Goose Green when I was in the Falklands though.
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10 November 2017, 05:18 PM
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My point was with regard to the irony of an ex soldier suggesting todays kids are brainwashed by liberals... without realising the social conditioning he's undergone.
10 November 2017, 05:29 PM
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But you have not answered the question, "Would YOU fight for your liberty, your families or your existence or are you too sacred?"
Have I insulted you? How?
Until you have fought in a war then I suggest you keep your school play ground bully comments to yourself. But I would challenge you to provide your evidence for the low IQ quote you have come up with?
Have I insulted you? How?
Until you have fought in a war then I suggest you keep your school play ground bully comments to yourself. But I would challenge you to provide your evidence for the low IQ quote you have come up with?
If you go into battle and your not afraid, then you're either a fool or mentally ill...
I believe there's a famous saying about the difference between a hero and a coward... the hero does what needs to be done despite his fear.
In war there are no winners.
10 November 2017, 06:27 PM
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I grew up in a time and place where I had to fight quite regularly against those that would have me subjugated... I left the Uk and live alone in the middle of nowhere in a foreign country... I never had big brothers or a gang to help me fight my battles, and I'm still here undefeated by man or beast at the ripe old age of 51, had a few good kickings along the way, but I never give up.
If you go into battle and your not afraid, then you're either a fool or mentally ill...
I believe there's a famous saying about the difference between a hero and a coward... the hero does what needs to be done despite his fear.
In war there are no winners.
If you go into battle and your not afraid, then you're either a fool or mentally ill...
I believe there's a famous saying about the difference between a hero and a coward... the hero does what needs to be done despite his fear.
In war there are no winners.
Would you fight (bear arms) to defend your liberty?
I was scared ****less everytime I left the gates or patrolled forward in my AFV when I was doing my bit but hey I only command a desk now and get to shout down the phone.
Unlike you I answer the question directly and not use convoluted politician style answers to hide.
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10 November 2017, 06:37 PM
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Now answer the question.
Would you fight (bear arms) to defend your liberty?
I was scared ****less everytime I left the gates or patrolled forward in my AFV when I was doing my bit but hey I only command a desk now and get to shout down the phone.
Unlike you I answer the question directly and not use convoluted politician style answers to hide.
Would you fight (bear arms) to defend your liberty?
I was scared ****less everytime I left the gates or patrolled forward in my AFV when I was doing my bit but hey I only command a desk now and get to shout down the phone.
Unlike you I answer the question directly and not use convoluted politician style answers to hide.
I think the life I have led and choose to lead now should tell you that i'm capable of dealing with my fears and any adverse situations that may arise.
In answer to the question about my liberty... the only people that have ever tried to remove my freedoms / liberty is the very establishment you choose to defend.
As I've said before... it's the 'do as we say or else' that's the real enemy.
10 November 2017, 07:41 PM
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Yes, the forces have been sent to fight on questionable reasons, but why are they not heroes?
Ditchy can just be ignored, I can’t be bothered with his usual anti forces drivel
10 November 2017, 08:40 PM
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You're not doing a very good job of ignoring me though are you. FYI... I'm not ANTI anything beyond young men killing each other for foolishness and financial gain of war mongers.
If more people could learn to see things for what they are instead of buying into the bollocks then the world would be a better place.
