wilkoca

Went up a couple of days a go a Hadecs 3 speed camera between J9 and J8 M25 anticlockwise.

There used to be only 1 between J10 and J6 just after J9.

This is also the type that will ticket you if the limit is reduced.

jazzyjembreaze

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Part of the " smart motorways " network .. all the cameras on this network country wide will flash you given the matrix sign variable speed limit / part of another money scheme to hit the motorist where it hurts .. also worth a note / although already technically a forced law . Driving through a red X is a offence .. but with these smart cameras you would be a fool to drive through one

Felix.

Or you could just stick to the rules of the road

matt-c

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Aren't you holier than thou

Smart motorways are actually stupid and rules are not always right or else nothing would change and improve over time.
They are a symptomatic of the dumbing down of society that is ongoing.

Speeding in urban areas and through villages etc is anti-social and dangerous, doing 85-90 on a motorway in good weather and traffic conditions is not. Cars are so capable these days.

Felix.

But a 90mph collision will have for more injury potential than lower speeds.

And doing 85-90 (although capable for a modern car) is still over the speed limit. Try lifting your foot off the gas a little.

matt-c

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True, let's all go back to walking, much safer.

markjmd

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Do you have proof that variable speed limits on motorways that have them aren't effective at reducing congestion, by preventing the bunching-up that otherwise happens when large volumes of traffic travelling at normal mway speed arrive at pinchpoints around busy junctions etc? If not, maybe you should wind it in a bit

boomer

You just have to look at the traffic on the M6 past Birmingham recently - ever since they completed the "smart" motorway conversion. There are MASSIVE delays MOST days, indeed the traffic seems to flow even WORSE than during the years that they spent implementing it (with mandatory 50mph limits in the roadworks).

The managed motorway trial on the M42 several years earlier was claimed to be a "success" because at some times the Northbound traffic flowed better than previously. Funnily enough they never mentioned the "other" times, or the Southbound traffic!! Oh, and what they DID do on the M42 was to reduce the speed of the traffic at the approach to the managed section to 40mph or 50mph, then a couple of gantries in, raised it back up to 60mph. "Hey Presto", things improved slightly in the managed bit, at the expense of SEVERAL MILES of queues on the approach outside of it - but the "improvements" weren't measure on that slow bit

mb

matt-c

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Also regardless of any statistical "improvement", i can say with certainty that driving on a "smart" motorway when it's doing it's smart thing is stressful, confusing, annoying and generally unpleasant in equal measure.

Then there is the incredible cost of all the gantry's and cameras etc, which i expect will all be redundant in a few years when cars will drive autonomously on these roads (or be it under some overarching control)

SWRTWannabe

I don't drive on the M25 very often, but did the other week and apart from seeing the worst motorway driving discipline for years (lanes 1 and 2 weren't broken, I checked), for me the variable speed limits seemed flawed.

The traffic would clear and you'd be back up to national speed limit, but only a few gantries later you are back to 40mph - surely the flow would have been smoother had the set all the gantries to say 50mph, and of course that reduces the risk of faster traffic ploughing into the back of the traffic that has now had to slow down ahead of the gantry.