lozgti1

Complete and utter nonsense.

I'm 5'10 and 12 10 and not unfit.Most of the rugby players in the 6 nations my height are at least a stone heavier than me.But potentially obese.Are they buggery

Doctors now seem to have decided we are all obese and diabetic and everyone needs statins.Like my 7 stone mother.

When did all this nonsense start? You can tell who is overweight not by a chart

dpb

Not an exact correlation obese to diabetic by any means afaik


Theyre quite possibly a stone heavier with muscle by the way

tony de wonderful

I wouldn't rely on that. Bad lifestyle tends to catch up with you, the average person isn't an exception.

andy97

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I'm just a little taller weigh best part of a 100kg,. By no means am I overweight. I cycle regularly don't drink too much and try to eat decent food mainly. Ignore BMI. Use hip waist ratio as a better indicator of overweight.

dpb

What is your body fat Andy ?

Tidgy

Mate of mine got sent to the hospital cos he was massively over the BMI they go by and classed as dangerously obese or something like that. Daft thing was he said he didn't need to go down but they keep saying he needs to go. So he went just to get it over with

Funniest thing was when he went to the hospital to see the specialist he was down to about 5% body fat because he was competing a week later. Specialist took one look at him and said sorry we wasted your time.

Fabioso

"You fat "KUNTS", lose weight".....NOT! the medical profession talk a load of average bollicks............

tony de wonderful

Rubbish lol.

ditchmyster

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I'm 5.11" and 14 stone at the min... a bit heavier than normal due to being quite sedentary over the past few months... no long walks as the weather has been bad and I've been in the gym pumping iron but not much in the way of cardio... just can't be 4r$ed with exercise bikes or cross trainers... so am I fat or do I look like the incredible hulk...

Neither really... just need to eat loads of salad and chicken and I should have the body of a god hiding under a small layer of fat.

njkmrs

Relax.
Im 5-8" and 15.5 stone...
I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and do at least an hour cardio each time.
Im wringing wet when I come out so I don't shirk when in there.
Im almost certainly classed as obese but hey I feel great.....

andy97

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DpB, I don't know my body fat %. I have a pretty flat stomach and hip measure larger than waist. My chest isn't as big as it once was, but I must still be 46" I've always been very broad shouldered

I mainly do cardio through cycling, I've just completed 2.5 hours of steady base riding this morning and burnt 2000 Cals. I can drop 4-5 lbs a week through long rides.

I've just been out to Tenerife for a weeks cycling, ate like a horse and didn't put on any weight.

I was told by my doctor a number of years ago its the visceral fat inside the abdomen cavity that is the big problem not fat under the skin, so lose weight to the point where your waist is slightly narrower than hips, do cardio workouts, eat well, you lower risks of heart issues and diabetes. Dont smoke!

dpb

i guess you would indeed expend that many cals if youre 100kg , whats baseline btw ?

john banks

BMI is useful in the sedentary majority, and many others who are now sedentary whilst harking back to the days they were training, expect they now eat like when they were training (at least the volume if not the quality) and are now fat. These denialists are at considerable risk and I think there are many of them for every super lean dude with high BMI. WHR is a little less convenient to use but has advantages as pointed out.

For a jobbing GP or nurse, in the sedentary, understanding the limitations, BMI has a role. To use it as gospel is not cool.

andy97

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Zone 2 power around 210 Watts

tony de wonderful

Is that on a machine? 210 watts at the cranks (really) is actually a pretty decent amount to sustain as a casual cyclist.

As for being able to drop 4-5 lbs body fat a week - in reality - that is really pushing it IMHO. I don't mean some snap shot of 'weight loss' (which can include a lot of water), but actual loss of body fat.

It's almost impossible to ride 210 watts for 2.5 hrs and not eat extra to cover that. You'd probably be bonked.

andy97

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​​​​​​On a Wahoo Kickr on Zwift. It's not impossible it's just about setting a pace which doesn't overly stress the system. It's around 2-2.1W/kg. So hardly pushing big numbers. I used a high cadence average 95rpm.



Weight loss and gain comes quickly to me, especially if i put in long rides.

An online riding buddy did a Zsun 56 miler, at a speedy 2.6W/kg, he does weigh 25 kg less than me. He fuelled his ride, but said quite a number of the front runners were doing the ride completely fasted. I did mine with breakfast 3 hours earlier

ALi-B

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On its own BMI is a useless, it's a very very basic guide and if a doctor uses this as a sole reference without asking questions on diet and lifestyle or taking further measurements such as body fat then I'd seriously question their education and medical proficiency.

I tend to go on body fat and muscle. Whilst that's not accurate either, it's a guide: I'm aiming to get my body fat down to around 10 to 12% and retain my existing muscle mass.

A BMI chart would show me being underweight, and at one point showed me as being overweight (probably was tbh, hence the regime change).

What is important is BMI does NOT indicate health, you can have a healthy/normal BMI and be physically unhealthy- what is known as skinny fat where your body fat percentage can be 20% but you have poor muscle mass; the result is a good BMI but you are actually quite unhealthy. I believe a lot of normal looking people (especially those on crash diets and office jobs) suffer this, ladies in particular; They have absolutely no muscle beyond what's needed to exist.

Modulating the diet to match activity is important. If we're counting calories and can find our basic resting metabolic rate, then work out what you burn on top of that at work/gym/whatever then you can work out quite easily if you are drinking or eating too much or too little. Keep to those measured boundaries and you should never get fat, or at least fatter

dpb

You lose muscle as get older...

tony de wonderful

I think John was basically saying as such, but pointed out that the average 'overweight' person according to the BMI probably is, whilst too many high BMI people (especially if sedentary) are fooling themselves by believing they are lean rugby player builds.

It's a sort of rule of thumb not to be used alone.

ALi-B

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I agree, although I would point out there are as many if not more unhealthy people who fall into the "Normal" category on the BMI scale who are just as much in denial.

Seems "Normal" today infers an acceptable weight vs height with paunch of flab and little muscle, combined with a poor diet and a daily activity level that is guaged by how far away their car is parked from their home/office. On that premise BMI should really be disused by the medical profession.

tony de wonderful

Sure, what 30, 40, 50 years ago would have got you abused as 'fatty' would today probably be considered average. There are very few people other than youths who are really lean.

banny sti

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Speak for yourself Tony lol

EddScott

How do you work out body fat?

I'm 5.8 and 12.5 stone. Office based so probably in a poor physical condition. I do go to the gym 3 days a week but don't do much cardio. Just weights really. I'm struggling to get rid of my belly but I accept I'm not doing enough cardio.

I don't eat loads. MyFitnessPal says 1500 calories if I want to lose a little weight and I cat stick to 1500 easily enough. Don't really eat rubbish if I can help it. Eating less now than I ever have before. Hardest part of the day for food is lunchtime. I never know what to eat that's lean and filling.

john banks

Waist:height ratio is an easy one to use and has some better correlations with risk than BMI and waist:hip ratio. None of them are perfect, but the bigger issue than recognising unfit and overweight/obese people is that people get "offended" when their doctor tells them this undeniable fact when it is barn door obvious, or if they do accept it, they want to blame someone or something else. Even when someone already has disease due primarily to their weight or lifestyle, the above is still an issue in our infantilised and entitled society.

tony de wonderful

I could do with losing about half a stone, would mean I was really lean like in my 20's. I've done 1500 cals a day for a month before and will shed 5 or 6 pounds or so but I certainly don't find a true 1500 cals easy. It mean being hungry really bad all the time.

I went up to 85 kilos in 2014/15 when work was super stressful. Now about 78 but 75 is a better weight for me.

tony de wonderful

Well we can't all be Greek Gods

willyw0nka

MD here,

BMI is very useful. The only time it is unreliable is when we use it to measure body builders, and elite athletes. They do not have a normal distribution of muscle mass in relation to fat.

If you're not working out at full tilt at least 2 hrs a day 5x a week and you have a high BMI, you're overweight. Face the music stop self deluding and do something about it.

dpb

25.2 here

I might or might not go for jog tomorrow mornin , now it's warming up


Could kill off the 10 pints bitter this evening.

Turbohot

Well said.



Apart from being offended, a lot of the overweight people find excuses not to exercise due to their bad back, bad knees, bad this and bad that. I'm sure that's the case in many cases and I empathise, but then people can at least switch to healthy diet and take some moderate exercises, at least. But they don't. They just buy a Fitbit and think that just wearing it will make them thin. You do have to do more than just wearing a Fitbit to lose weight, come on.