David Lock

Says it all really. Wonderful stuff, David

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

That really is telling it how a lot of people see it.
The strange thing is it would seem to be almost a corporate message from the national broadcaster. I say this because he was obviously reciting from a teleprompter which would indicate it's an edited piece, which would imply corporate involvement and approval.
Aunty BBC has got her fighting knickers on

hodgy0_2

I think it was a personal piece from Andrew Neil

I doubt the BBC had much to with tbh

ZANY

Thanks for putting it up mate and very well put and said

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Doubt it's from the Beeb...after all, they are partly responsible for the way the migrants have been welcomed by our government, they have been slanting the so-called refugee problem for months.

David Lock

Agree - that was pure Neil at his best.


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wrx300scooby

Excellent stuff Mr Neil

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

I can't see the BBC allowing Neil the leeway to air his personal views without either their tacit approval or subsequent disciplinary actions being instigated as for previous occasions where employees have misused/exploited their priviledged position in similar ways such as Clarkson, Kenny Everett, et al. In such circumstances retribution from the 'Fith Floor' has always been very swift.
I wouldn't disagree that the primary author was Neil, but to make it on to a teleprompter requires the colusion of other departments such as editing and I can't see that happening without authority from higher up, hence my suspicion of corporate BBC approval.
Whatever the corporate position is, I'm not disagreeing with the message, 'ISIS you will be as dust'.
Rock on Andy

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Yeah but apart from that, what have the French done for us?

warrenm2

All it needs is for the actions to match the words. Not going to hold my breath. And he will now be under threat a la Charlie Hebdo....

ZANY

Dirty cowardly brainwashing scum of this earth

donny andi

iTrader: (3)

That sums the bbc up.....what about ISIS

wrx300scooby

Martin2005

He didn't actually say anything controversial though did he?

ZANY

Back in day Isis was a really good make of steroid heard its name in the gym I was shocked these muppets can't even make a half decent name can't wait till they get nuked off the face off this planet

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

That depends on a personal point of view. His statement was mainly based on personal opinion and broadcast using facilities paid for by public subscription, so whilst the content of the piece may not be controversial, his use of a publicly funded organisation (as an employee of that organisation) to express those opinions most definitely is.

JTaylor

"Islamist scumbags" could be considered an over generalisation. If he'd have said "Salafist jihadi Islamist scumbags" he'd have been more accurate, but may well have offended al-Qaeda and their supporters.

ZANY

^^^ NUKE THEM n ALL!! Al kafukiwateva

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL, whilst I see where you are coming from, I don't think that laying a nuclear fallout cloud over their/other countries is in the West's best interest.

Martin2005

His statement was a simple juxtaposition between the 'city of love', and the things the French have given the world, against a bunch of murdering *******s, who given nothing to the world.
I don't think there's too much that could be construed as controversial in that. That's his opinion and the opinion of any sane person currently breathing.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

All the bloke and his bosses have done is put him in the firing line, he was probably a willing participant most likely due to his own personal outrage, but what will it achieve, ultimately the people that did this and their supporters will be pleased they got a reaction and some airtime on the establishment tv station of the uk, therefore a propaganda victory for them.

I'd starve them of airtime personally as this sort of reaction is what feeds them and helps them with their goal of causing world wide terror, can't breath or breed without air.

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

We do agree then that what was said was essentially a personal opinion, but I'll re-state my point again because you seem to have missed it completely.

Martin2005

The whole programme (which I watch every week) is about peoples (his and his guests) personal opinions.
Usually a lot more controversial than these comments.

Still don't understand why you feel this is a big deal?

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

I have said nowhere that it's a big deal.
What I have said is that the use of a public broadcast facility funded by public subscription for expression of privately held opinion is controversial.
The fact that you and I are having this debate surely supports that statement

David Lock

I don't want to pay for a BBC that just reports RTAs on the M25. I want to hear opinions from an eclectic range of people especially ones that know what they are talking about.


But I would expect the Beeb to draw a veil over extreme speakers perhaps spouting IS propaganda or pure racism.


There seems to be a lot of anti-Beeb feeling on this board and I don't really know why.


I've watched TV in many countries and the Beeb is about the best there is.


It has some great presenters - take James Naughtie from Today for example, or if you want your kids to appreciate the English language then listen to Kate Adie's From our own Correspondent.


Neil is also up there with the top crew.


David

warrenm2

Where to start? Suppression of the Balen report, 28-gate, 100 days of UKIP just before an election, Great European Disaster Movie, the deliberate misrepresentation in order not to upset people e.g Rotherham perpetrators described as Asian, economic migrants not claiming asylum in first safe country described as refugees, the one sided reporting, the description of political groups not following the BBC lines as "far right", the omission of material facts to give a full picture e.g. protest marches in EU countries, rapes in Sweden, the sneering aggressive interviewing of politicians not of BBC mindset, the group think mentality, the hidden EU funding that is never admitted and actively try to hide through refusal of FOI requests, the constant drip feeding of global warming propaganda into every program (esp in run up to Paris conference) etc etc etc

Hope that helps as a starter....

Shax

EXACTLY! why are these small time scumbags getting so much recognition!

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

I have mentioned the BBC a bit in this thread so I'll answer for that.
I'm not anti BBC. The BBC sets world class standards for reporting and presentation of news matters. However as pointed out by warrenm2 it can be very one sided in it's presentation of 'how things are'.
Presenters? Again I think they are mainly world class, including Andrew Neil.
My point has only been that to permit an employee exclusive national air time to expound his personal opinions (re 'scumbags') is controversial.
David, if you were to try and grab some BBC air time to air your opinions about ISIS you wouldn't have a hope in hell of doing so.
That's my point.

hodgy0_2

wasn't that Channel 4

hodgy0_2

and I doubt Andrew Neil is "employed" as such

I suspect he is a contractor

Clarkson expressed a lot of personal opinions