JTaylor

mattstant

Jesus says

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter in law against her mother in law – a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lost it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

JTaylor

What's your interpretation of this passage, Matt?

Tidgy

that religions contradict themselves and if there was no religion 90% of the fighting wouldn't happen.

JDM_Stig

iTrader: (3)

hahaha religions, there isnt enough money to be made by peace, if they all keep fighting there is money to be made. . .

4u2nv2

enough said

urban

iTrader: (1)

100% true

JTaylor

Are you sure?

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Absolutely 100% true.

JTaylor

Sure?

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Out of interest, do you have any first hand experience of war JTaylor? Genuine question mate.

JTaylor

No. As a Plymouth lad, most of my family are or were in the services - Navy and Royal Marines. I was due to go in to the Navy (Dartmouth), but a back injury sustained playing football meant I was disqualified via the medical.

RS_Matt

My cousin wasn't admitted on the grounds that 1 of his ***** hadn't dropped.

He could have just told us his elbow was knacked.

urban

iTrader: (1)

yes - 100%

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

So there were never wars before religion was invented, and there have never been any since that didn't have a religious element of some kind?

hodgy0_2

I don't want to seem pedantic

but Urban said 100% true that 90% of wars wada wada

still leaves 10% by my admittedly shoddy maths

JTaylor

Just take the last century.

JTaylor

Ok, but it's not 100% true that 90% of wars are religious. If we measure war by death, the greatest atrocities lay firmly at the feet of the atheist community.

hodgy0_2

yes, I prob would not take too much issue with that tbh

although the levels of idolatry for Stalin and Hitler reached almost "religious" levels

and the Catholic church had a dubious role in it all

but I take your basic point

to me its a redundant argument, and if religion is involved it is probably a proxy anyway

wars are usually about access to resources/poverty etc

JTaylor

Agreed. Annoyingly. I fancied a half-decent argument.

hodgy0_2

Lol,

Although being serious, probably not a good weekend for it