JTaylor

I used to be pro-choice, but have recently heard some sound arguments to the contrary. Where do you stand?

Martin2005

Good to see that you're focusing on the non controversial topics JT

JTaylor

Where do you stand, Martin?

Martin2005

Safe, Legal but Rare

dpb

you're not in a position to have a choice !

JTaylor

Give me a scenario where you'd accept abortion.

Tidgy

Unless there is some medical reason for one, then shut your fookin legs if you don;t want kids and can;t be sensible about it.

It shouldn't be a life style choice, if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Martin2005

When the mother chooses to have one.

That said, I think that the law should be much tougher on when. My view is abortion should only happen before 18 weeks. I think the current limit of 24 weeks is way too late.

Martin2005

OMG

Does the same go for men, or is it all down to women?

Turbohot

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki


In the United Kingdom, the Abortion Act 1967 legalized abortion, except in Northern Ireland. In Great Britain, the law states that pregnancy may be terminated up to 24 weeks if it:

-puts the life of the pregnant woman at risk

-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman

-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the fetus

-shows there is evidence of extreme fetal abnormality i.e. the child would be seriously physically or mentally.

I agree with this.

Tidgy

I'm yet to see a pregnant man?

But to some extent yes, does take two to tango lol

But bear in mind we aint talking the virgin mary of how to get up the duiff here

hodgy0_2

well the obvious ones are Rape and Incest

However, personally I am less comfortable with the concept of Abortion the older I get

especially where it is seen as a "lifestyle choice/right" and a lazy persons method contraception

and I think 24 weeks is the absolute maximum, unless overwhelming medical circumstances

I could be persuaded to reduce it to say 18 weeks

I accept I view the problem from the position of a man

Turbohot

This is exactly what I was thinking that this pro-choice discussion will be a pro-men one on here, as I'm the only woman who knocks about here.

JTaylor

Believe it or not there are one or two blokes capable of empathy.

Turbohot

I'm well aware of that, but it's only one or two blokes, and that's it!

JTaylor

So killing a child is ok when the mother has been raped or has had an incestuous conception?

JTaylor

We'll see.

Turbohot

Well, you did say the same thing that at least one or two blokes with empathy (to women) post here, so yeah, that's pre-seen. You being one, I know. I'm serious.

If more show up, then jolly good.

c_maguire

The flip side to this is that preventing certain women from having an abortion may well have a negative impact on society as a whole when the greater picture is taken into consideration.

JTaylor

Eugenics?

dpb

321 and we're on to the god theme already, like it was ever going anther way lol

c_maguire

Yes, a fertilised egg is not a child.

c_maguire

I would, but that is not your topic or a possibility.

JTaylor

JTaylor

Eugenics is absolutely part of the discussion. What type of women would you prevent from having a child?

BlkKnight

The trouble with the law as it stands is that clinics interpret this line to see fit:

-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman

Ladies are effectively coached so that the Dr's can legally sign off on the termination.

Changing the law so that it needs sign-off from two independent Dr's may help.

re the 28 weeks - unless this is for extreme mental / physical reasons it's a bit too long.

c_maguire

They look more like something out of 'V' than a child.

At what point (certainly considerably later than those aliens) is the 'child' able to survive successfully outside the womb? Up until that point the argument regarding abortion is either religious or no different to the argument about whether hooks cause fish pain.

c_maguire

At the extreme anyone with below average I.Q., thereby longterm raising the intellect of the whole.
More realistically those with physical or mental disabilities, those exhibiting criminal or anti-social behaviour above an approved level and those with infectious conditions such as A.I.D.S etc.

JTaylor

Motor neuron disease?

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

In the case of gang rape or rape as a way of oppression by fundamentalist religious/political groups who see woman as subservent or of a lower class than men.

When a choice is made by a free thinking female.