Abortion
I used to be pro-choice, but have recently heard some sound arguments to the contrary. Where do you stand?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713765)
I used to be pro-choice, but have recently heard some sound arguments to the contrary. Where do you stand?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11713768)
Good to see that you're focusing on the non controversial topics JT
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713769)
Where do you stand, Martin?
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you're not in a position to have a choice !
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11713770)
Safe, Legal but Rare
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Unless there is some medical reason for one, then shut your fookin legs if you don;t want kids and can;t be sensible about it.
It shouldn't be a life style choice, if you can't do the time don't do the crime. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713776)
Give me a scenario where you'd accept abortion.
That said, I think that the law should be much tougher on when. My view is abortion should only happen before 18 weeks. I think the current limit of 24 weeks is way too late. |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11713779)
Unless there is some medical reason for one, then shut your fookin legs if you don;t want kids and can;t be sensible about it.
It shouldn't be a life style choice, if you can't do the time don't do the crime. OMG Does the same go for men, or is it all down to women? |
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki
In the United Kingdom, the Abortion Act 1967 legalized abortion, except in Northern Ireland. In Great Britain, the law states that pregnancy may be terminated up to 24 weeks if it: -puts the life of the pregnant woman at risk -poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman -poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the fetus -shows there is evidence of extreme fetal abnormality i.e. the child would be seriously physically or mentally. I agree with this. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11713783)
OMG
Does the same go for men, or is it all down to women? But to some extent yes, does take two to tango lol But bear in mind we aint talking the virgin mary of how to get up the duiff here |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713776)
Give me a scenario where you'd accept abortion.
However, personally I am less comfortable with the concept of Abortion the older I get especially where it is seen as a "lifestyle choice/right" and a lazy persons method contraception and I think 24 weeks is the absolute maximum, unless overwhelming medical circumstances I could be persuaded to reduce it to say 18 weeks I accept I view the problem from the position of a man |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11713788)
well the obvious ones are Rape and Incest
However, personally I am less comfortable with the concept of Abortion the older I get especially where it is seen as a "lifestyle choice/right" and a lazy persons method contraception and I think 24 weeks is the absolute maximum, unless overwhelming medical circumstances I could be persuaded to reduce it to say 18 weeks I accept I view the problem from the position of a man |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11713793)
This is exactly what I was thinking that this pro-choice discussion will be a pro-men one on here, as I'm the only woman who knocks about here.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713795)
Believe it or not there are one or two blokes capable of empathy.
I'm well aware of that, but it's only one or two blokes, and that's it! |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11713788)
well the obvious ones are Rape and Incest
However, personally I am less comfortable with the concept of Abortion the older I get especially where it is seen as a "lifestyle choice/right" and a lazy persons method contraception and I think 24 weeks is the absolute maximum, unless overwhelming medical circumstances I could be persuaded to reduce it to say 18 weeks I accept I view the problem from the position of a man |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11713797)
I'm well aware of that, but it's only one or two blokes, and that's it!
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713800)
We'll see.
If more show up, then jolly good. :thumb: |
The flip side to this is that preventing certain women from having an abortion may well have a negative impact on society as a whole when the greater picture is taken into consideration.
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11713810)
The flip side to this is that preventing certain women from having an abortion may well have a negative impact on society as a whole when the greater picture is taken into consideration.
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321 and we're on to the god theme already, like it was ever going anther way lol
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713798)
So killing a child is ok when the mother has been raped or has had an incestuous conception?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713811)
Eugenics?
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11713815)
Yes, a fertilised egg is not a child.
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11713816)
I would, but that is not your topic or a possibility.
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The trouble with the law as it stands is that clinics interpret this line to see fit:
-poses a risk to the mental and physical health of the pregnant woman Ladies are effectively coached so that the Dr's can legally sign off on the termination. Changing the law so that it needs sign-off from two independent Dr's may help. re the 28 weeks - unless this is for extreme mental / physical reasons it's a bit too long. |
At what point (certainly considerably later than those aliens) is the 'child' able to survive successfully outside the womb? Up until that point the argument regarding abortion is either religious or no different to the argument about whether hooks cause fish pain. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713819)
Eugenics is absolutely part of the discussion. What type of women would you prevent from having a child?
More realistically those with physical or mental disabilities, those exhibiting criminal or anti-social behaviour above an approved level and those with infectious conditions such as A.I.D.S etc. |
Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11713831)
At the extreme anyone with below average I.Q., thereby longterm raising the intellect of the whole.
More realistically those with physical or mental disabilities, those exhibiting criminal or anti-social behaviour above an approved level and those with infectious conditions such as A.I.D.S etc. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11713776)
Give me a scenario where you'd accept abortion.
In the case of gang rape or rape as a way of oppression by fundamentalist religious/political groups who see woman as subservent or of a lower class than men. When a choice is made by a free thinking female. |
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