Tunisia...am I wrong here:
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Tunisia...am I wrong here:
I know this terrible massacre is inexcusable, but it appears to be a lone wolf action. One man running rampage. After realising this, it is highly likely that area won't have another any time soon.
So. If you were not in that vicinity, not even in a hotel that's near that beach, why would you clog up a third world country's limited infrastructure and resources by trying to get flown early back to the UK. So long as loved ones know you are ok, is there any need?
Why not stay put and allow those who have been directly affected to get repatriated more quickly instead of clogging up the airport and harassing the tour reps because something bad happened half a mile away?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be happy out there, but personally I'd see that I wouldn't be making the problems worse by trying to get back home early. And If I wasn't located anywhere near that resort, I'd consider myself to be rather selfish in trying to do that.
So. If you were not in that vicinity, not even in a hotel that's near that beach, why would you clog up a third world country's limited infrastructure and resources by trying to get flown early back to the UK. So long as loved ones know you are ok, is there any need?
Why not stay put and allow those who have been directly affected to get repatriated more quickly instead of clogging up the airport and harassing the tour reps because something bad happened half a mile away?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be happy out there, but personally I'd see that I wouldn't be making the problems worse by trying to get back home early. And If I wasn't located anywhere near that resort, I'd consider myself to be rather selfish in trying to do that.
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Unless it's happened to you, I don't think you can comment. I'm in Cyprus now, and I know for a fact if it had happened here, my wife would have us the first plane home.
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So you are there 'hypothetically' with the Mrs and kids enjoying a bit of sun , sand and .....
Along comes Mr ******* looney tunes with his AK...
Would you go back to the hotel and shower and dress for the nights meal and entertainment.....or would you be grabbing the rep and telling them you want the first flight out
Me and my family would be on the first plane and the holiday company would be paying for a new one somewhere safer.
Tbh it's a **** hole place to go anyway , just like turkey and the other dirty cheap sh1thole places not on my 'to visit' list.
Along comes Mr ******* looney tunes with his AK...
Would you go back to the hotel and shower and dress for the nights meal and entertainment.....or would you be grabbing the rep and telling them you want the first flight out
Me and my family would be on the first plane and the holiday company would be paying for a new one somewhere safer.
Tbh it's a **** hole place to go anyway , just like turkey and the other dirty cheap sh1thole places not on my 'to visit' list.
#6
Probably should have kept it to myself, I guess. But what I'm saying is, if something kicked off in northern Cyprus (which given past events, could), and you were in Southern Cyprus, would you still demand to leave for home, even though you are miles away? And, additionally whilst doing so pushing infront of people who actually had lost loved ones?
I'm not saying I'd be going to all-night raves or treating it as a holiday from that point onwards, but I'm saying that those directly affected would get more help if the authority and operators weren't inundated by those who were located miles away wanting preferential treatment.
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Probably should have kept it to myself, I guess. But what I'm saying is, if something kicked off in northern Cyprus (which given past events, could), and you were in Southern Cyprus, would you still demand to leave for home, even though you are miles away? And, additionally whilst doing so pushing infront of people who actually had lost loved ones?
I'm not saying I'd be going to all-night raves or treating it as a holiday from that point onwards, but I'm saying that those directly affected would get more help if the authority and operators weren't inundated by those who were located miles away wanting preferential treatment.
I'm not saying I'd be going to all-night raves or treating it as a holiday from that point onwards, but I'm saying that those directly affected would get more help if the authority and operators weren't inundated by those who were located miles away wanting preferential treatment.
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Maybe so, seemed to me from reports that I had read/seen it was angled that the tourists are pushing for it. Maybe not, and if its the tour operators then I'll put my hands up and say I'm wrong; The media reporting on this is at best on notch above amateur when it comes to reporting facts.
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I know this terrible massacre is inexcusable, but it appears to be a lone wolf action. One man running rampage. After realising this, it is highly likely that area won't have another any time soon.
So. If you were not in that vicinity, not even in a hotel that's near that beach, why would you clog up a third world country's limited infrastructure and resources by trying to get flown early back to the UK. So long as loved ones know you are ok, is there any need?
Why not stay put and allow those who have been directly affected to get repatriated more quickly instead of clogging up the airport and harassing the tour reps because something bad happened half a mile away?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be happy out there, but personally I'd see that I wouldn't be making the problems worse by trying to get back home early. And If I wasn't located anywhere near that resort, I'd consider myself to be rather selfish in trying to do that.
So. If you were not in that vicinity, not even in a hotel that's near that beach, why would you clog up a third world country's limited infrastructure and resources by trying to get flown early back to the UK. So long as loved ones know you are ok, is there any need?
Why not stay put and allow those who have been directly affected to get repatriated more quickly instead of clogging up the airport and harassing the tour reps because something bad happened half a mile away?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be happy out there, but personally I'd see that I wouldn't be making the problems worse by trying to get back home early. And If I wasn't located anywhere near that resort, I'd consider myself to be rather selfish in trying to do that.
#12
From what I've heard on the news, IS have taken responsibility for the massacre so hardly a lone wolf plus the Foreign Office have not ruled out more attacks so IMO you'd be mad to stay there catching rays on the beach supping on your Pina Colada thinking all is dandy.
IS will take responsibility for any mad mullah.
If this were a proper stragetic attack...we'll have another resort(s) targeted timed to happen as close together with attacks in other resorts, off the top of my head:
Bodrum
Saidia
Sharm El Sheikh
Negombo
Yeah, I'd be worried if I was there. Worried enough to jump on a plane? Not until another attack happens elsewhere...
Last edited by ALi-B; 28 June 2015 at 02:01 PM.
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I'd book up a cheap flight and hotel and head on out there!
Directly after 9/11 prices crashed and you couldnt give away flights to america....
I did a tour round America for a 1/4 of the cost after 9/11, visited San francisco, Chicago, Denver, Memphis, Honolulu, and NYC. All because people were so scared there might be another terror attack.
In reality, the safest place to be immediately after a terror attack is where it happened, as security is through the roof and the mad mullahs will know that and attack some place else instead....
Directly after 9/11 prices crashed and you couldnt give away flights to america....
I did a tour round America for a 1/4 of the cost after 9/11, visited San francisco, Chicago, Denver, Memphis, Honolulu, and NYC. All because people were so scared there might be another terror attack.
In reality, the safest place to be immediately after a terror attack is where it happened, as security is through the roof and the mad mullahs will know that and attack some place else instead....
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I agree, my daughter was born in Grantham hospital weeks after that tw8t Beverly Allitt killed the babies and there was no safer place on earth to have a baby. I would go to Tunisia tomorrow because once these ***** win we are all Fooked.. It'll be back to Mablethorpe or Skeggy.
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I'd book up a cheap flight and hotel and head on out there!
Directly after 9/11 prices crashed and you couldnt give away flights to america....
I did a tour round America for a 1/4 of the cost after 9/11, visited San francisco, Chicago, Denver, Memphis, Honolulu, and NYC. All because people were so scared there might be another terror attack.
In reality, the safest place to be immediately after a terror attack is where it happened, as security is through the roof and the mad mullahs will know that and attack some place else instead....
Directly after 9/11 prices crashed and you couldnt give away flights to america....
I did a tour round America for a 1/4 of the cost after 9/11, visited San francisco, Chicago, Denver, Memphis, Honolulu, and NYC. All because people were so scared there might be another terror attack.
In reality, the safest place to be immediately after a terror attack is where it happened, as security is through the roof and the mad mullahs will know that and attack some place else instead....
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So you will happily go there, but if something happens 150miles away you expect to leave immediately?
If you are worried about attacks, regardless of wether one has happened recently or not, if there is a risk, there is a risk, so why would it make a difference if you went in 5 years time from now?
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That is completely illogical....
So you will happily go there, but if something happens 150miles away you expect to leave immediately?
If you are worried about attacks, regardless of wether one has happened recently or not, if there is a risk, there is a risk, so why would it make a difference if you went in 5 years time from now?
So you will happily go there, but if something happens 150miles away you expect to leave immediately?
If you are worried about attacks, regardless of wether one has happened recently or not, if there is a risk, there is a risk, so why would it make a difference if you went in 5 years time from now?
#20
First off let me start by saying i'm glad he survied but that guy who told his gf to run and took bullets for her what a damn idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
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First off let me start by saying i'm glad he survied but that guy who told his gf to run and took bullets for her what a damn idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
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In reality nowhere is truely safe from a loan radicalised ***** intent on murder and destruction, it's the sh1tty world we live in nowadays, sad but true.
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If you were afraid of crazy lone gunmen, the U.S. must be off your list
I suppose it depends wether you mind being shot by a crazy young man - or simply a terrorist
I suppose it depends wether you mind being shot by a crazy young man - or simply a terrorist
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I can see the reasoning behind the thinking but I guess if you're in that situation, rational thought might not be so easy to come by. I guess human nature would be to want to be home and safe. I'd like to think that I would have the forethought to allow others that were injured or had lost people to take precedence over myself.
I went to Chernobyl last October and I'm going again later this year. It's hardly the safest place in the world and yes there is a war on in the south east but I found myself thinking, at least it won't be attacked by terrorists. A strange world to worry about going to a tourist location and not being particularly bothered about a nuclear exclusion zone in a country struggling not to consume itself in civil war.
I went to Chernobyl last October and I'm going again later this year. It's hardly the safest place in the world and yes there is a war on in the south east but I found myself thinking, at least it won't be attacked by terrorists. A strange world to worry about going to a tourist location and not being particularly bothered about a nuclear exclusion zone in a country struggling not to consume itself in civil war.
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First off let me start by saying i'm glad he survied but that guy who told his gf to run and took bullets for her what a damn idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
Why would anyone give there life up for someone else doesn't he know she would have been on someone elses dick by the end of the year if not sooner, no way in hell I would give my life up like that. I'm glad he survied but what an idiot.
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i dont think its a lone wolf thing, this is the second time in couple of months tourists have been targeted in tunisia ,
if it hadnt been for that first attack i may well have booked a holidauy there , instead the family and i are going to majorca which has now had its risk level raised aswell , im now equally worried about leaving my subaru as being shot
not how i expected to feel about my holiday
if it hadnt been for that first attack i may well have booked a holidauy there , instead the family and i are going to majorca which has now had its risk level raised aswell , im now equally worried about leaving my subaru as being shot
not how i expected to feel about my holiday
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Why not stay put and allow those who have been directly affected to get repatriated more quickly instead of clogging up the airport and harassing the tour reps because something bad happened half a mile away?
and half a mile away , you said that like its the other side of the country, thats just down the street .
i'd have me and the kids cowering in a cupboard till it was time to go home , the gf can keep an eye out
but being serious my feeling is that the attacks are more about stopping tunisia being a holiday destination than actually killing the tourists although im not sure why,
another thought is , surely its more likely for them to do this when the schools break off and more people will be going on holiday , and it seems to me if you are in a country that sided with usa in the invasion of iraq its likely that country will be targeted
basically these terorist groups are pissed at the countries that want to rule and control the world and the only way they can hurt them is by doing things like this
and half a mile away , you said that like its the other side of the country, thats just down the street .
i'd have me and the kids cowering in a cupboard till it was time to go home , the gf can keep an eye out
but being serious my feeling is that the attacks are more about stopping tunisia being a holiday destination than actually killing the tourists although im not sure why,
another thought is , surely its more likely for them to do this when the schools break off and more people will be going on holiday , and it seems to me if you are in a country that sided with usa in the invasion of iraq its likely that country will be targeted
basically these terorist groups are pissed at the countries that want to rule and control the world and the only way they can hurt them is by doing things like this
Last edited by gary77; 29 June 2015 at 12:16 PM.
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Yes i've been in love but come on now we all know what happens once you fall out with your current partner, it switches from love to how much he/she hates you, and 9 times out of 10 they are on another dick(proving how much she really loved you) within two weeks heck sometimes sooner.
So you would throw your life away to save some tart who is going to be screwing someone else a few months after you're worm food, no thanks that's not for me.
As for the dude who said he wouldn't like to be in the trenchs with me, that's a whole diffrent ballgame, that would mean a war i'd joined the army for or been called up because we might loose said war you could count on me to have your back to the end in that situation.
So you would throw your life away to save some tart who is going to be screwing someone else a few months after you're worm food, no thanks that's not for me.
As for the dude who said he wouldn't like to be in the trenchs with me, that's a whole diffrent ballgame, that would mean a war i'd joined the army for or been called up because we might loose said war you could count on me to have your back to the end in that situation.
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Yes i've been in love but come on now we all know what happens once you fall out with your current partner, it switches from love to how much he/she hates you, and 9 times out of 10 they are on another dick(proving how much she really loved you) within two weeks heck sometimes sooner.
So you would throw your life away to save some tart who is going to be screwing someone else a few months after you're worm food, no thanks that's not for me.
As for the dude who said he wouldn't like to be in the trenchs with me, that's a whole diffrent ballgame, that would mean a war i'd joined the army for or been called up because we might loose said war you could count on me to have your back to the end in that situation.
So you would throw your life away to save some tart who is going to be screwing someone else a few months after you're worm food, no thanks that's not for me.
As for the dude who said he wouldn't like to be in the trenchs with me, that's a whole diffrent ballgame, that would mean a war i'd joined the army for or been called up because we might loose said war you could count on me to have your back to the end in that situation.
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