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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 11:24 AM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...33-richer.html





Almost make up for shortfall in tax credits.
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 12:31 PM
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Like 99% of the press info about staying or leaving europe its totaly biast and will miss out loads of detail thats important.
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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What price freedom and true democracy? This is just a bonus
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Like 99% of the press info about staying or leaving europe its totaly biast and will miss out loads of detail thats important.
You make the accusation of bias, care to provide an example in this article?
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
You make the accusation of bias, care to provide an example in this article?
because there are counter arguments by the pro lobby for every article for the leaving lobby and visa versa.

When have the press ever report facts, the headline even says 'could', not will.

If the whole thing was as simple as 5 points would be a no brainer, but the whole point is it isn't anywhere near as simple as made out.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/...d-stay-4467845

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...u-9213131.html

just as an example.
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
because there are counter arguments by the pro lobby for every article for the leaving lobby and visa versa.

When have the press ever report facts, the headline even says 'could', not will.

If the whole thing was as simple as 5 points would be a no brainer, but the whole point is it isn't anywhere near as simple as made out.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/...d-stay-4467845

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...u-9213131.html

just as an example.
If you had a brain you would realise that being part of the EU or not would not effect points 1 and 2 of the mirror article for example. Also having a counter arguement doesn't make it valid. Try working out the difference

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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 06:50 PM
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A grand, whoopifcuking doo, peanuts for monkeys, and it's not as if they would actually give you £1k in your hand so that at least you would feel as though you were a grand better off.

More smoke and mirrors, which incidentally, both sides are equally guilty of.

Reality is that we the general public will never know the truth about whether or not we are better off in or out, because the pigs will always hide the information from us and bicker amongst themselves, then do what's best for them on the day.
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 07:25 PM
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A grand, whoopifcuking doo, peanuts for monkeys, and it's not as if they would actually give you £1k in your hand so that at least you would feel as though you were a grand better off.

More smoke and mirrors, which incidentally, both sides are equally guilty of.

Reality is that we the general public will never know the truth about whether or not we are better off in or out, because the pigs will always hide the information from us and bicker amongst themselves, then do what's best for them on the day.
No really, the basics are whether you have democracy or not. In the EU, you don't, hence we must leave
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
If you had a brain you would realise that being part of the EU or not would not effect points 1 and 2 of the mirror article for example. Also having a counter arguement doesn't make it valid. Try working out the difference

the point im getting it is very few people actualy understand the full picture, i highly doubt you do, i know i dont
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 08:03 PM
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The "Report" published by the Telegraph - a 100% euro skeptic paper is actually by "Business for Britain" - a 100% Euro Sceptic organisation

And it simply a load of assumptions and "if's but's and maybe's" with a figure plucked out of the air at the back end

So as with most things don't take your information from a single source - get informed no brainwashed (by either view)

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Old Jun 24, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...deception.html
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Old Jun 25, 2015 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
If you had a brain you would realise that being part of the EU or not would not effect points 1 and 2 of the mirror article for example. Also having a counter arguement doesn't make it valid. Try working out the difference
Mr UKIP 50-100 seats is questioning whether someone has a brain.....interesting
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Old Jun 25, 2015 | 01:18 AM
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Mr UKIP 50-100 seats is questioning whether someone has a brain.....interesting
Under PR he'd have been right on the nail. Funny how PR stops interesting you when it means UKIP might do better than you would like.

The election was the most skewed result ever in an election.

4 million UKIP votes = 1 seat
11.9 million Tory votes = 331 seats

In what world is that right or fair?
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Old Jun 25, 2015 | 06:28 AM
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It's like how we lost our cricket match last week under Duckworth Lewis

We scored a trillion more runs in our allotted overs yet lost. Lol
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Old Jun 25, 2015 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Under PR he'd have been right on the nail. Funny how PR stops interesting you when it means UKIP might do better than you would like.

The election was the most skewed result ever in an election.

4 million UKIP votes = 1 seat
11.9 million Tory votes = 331 seats

In what world is that right or fair?
I'm 100% in favour of PR. Regardless of who it benefits or harms.

My point is that the politically astute Warren never managed to figure out that UKIP were never going to do well under FPTP, yet he calls others brainless
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