House Break in No2.....
11 June 2015, 02:11 PM
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House Break in No2.....
...11 months later after the original break in: https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...-gone-but.html
Of which the insurance rejected the claims (discussion removed as its being reviewed by the ombudsman - I'll post up the outcome and restore the relevant info when its sorted).
So out of pocket to a hefty tune. I get a call saying the alarm is going off just as I was finishing up at work.
Race back (not that fast - rush hour traffic
), to find my meter box open...they pulled the main use and chucked it. It never occurred to me hour vulnerable outdoor electric meters are. Well I'm aware now.
They had a good bash at trying to disable the alarm by ripping wires from the bellbox, Luckily they were supply wires to the secondary siren, so the main siren was unaffected.
After ripping the handle off the shed door (padlocked with a coach-bolted big hasp and keep), they tried prying my lovely new Aluminum door to the kitchen/extension ruining it, They also tried prying at least open two brand new aluminum windows (edit: Since found they tried prying and damaged further windows) on the back again ruining the frames. They finally settle on using a garden ornament to smash through the wooden side door to the internal garage and crawled through the 1 ft gap they made and then smashed the fire-door which divide the garage to the kitchen which was locked top middle and bottom. They then were met with ANOTHER solid hardwood door dividing the kitchen between the rest of the house....also locked top middle and bottom (I've think I've mentioned before I live in fort knox
).
Nothing taken this time...But I just feel like putting sticker on every window saying burgled 2 times in one year...insurance have not paid...so **** off.
I didn't have CCTV...work in progress still.....but if I had, it wouldn't have had a battery backup. Looking at the alarm logs they spent half an hour loitering round the property after killing the power before getting inside. So looks like I'm going to need a UPS to run the internet and CCTV if I'm going ahead with this plan < sigh >
Credit to plod...turned up SWAT style in five mins after being handed over to the correct handler....8mins was wasted by 999 operators who kept putting me through to the wrong force and cutting me off.
Also props to Western power...turned up in 30mins to replace the main fuse
Anyhoo....lets see what the insurers say on this one....Yes I'm still insured with teh same bunch; policy hadn't expired yet.
Of which the insurance rejected the claims (discussion removed as its being reviewed by the ombudsman - I'll post up the outcome and restore the relevant info when its sorted).
So out of pocket to a hefty tune. I get a call saying the alarm is going off just as I was finishing up at work.
Race back (not that fast - rush hour traffic
), to find my meter box open...they pulled the main use and chucked it. It never occurred to me hour vulnerable outdoor electric meters are. Well I'm aware now.They had a good bash at trying to disable the alarm by ripping wires from the bellbox, Luckily they were supply wires to the secondary siren, so the main siren was unaffected.
After ripping the handle off the shed door (padlocked with a coach-bolted big hasp and keep), they tried prying my lovely new Aluminum door to the kitchen/extension ruining it, They also tried prying at least open two brand new aluminum windows (edit: Since found they tried prying and damaged further windows) on the back again ruining the frames. They finally settle on using a garden ornament to smash through the wooden side door to the internal garage and crawled through the 1 ft gap they made and then smashed the fire-door which divide the garage to the kitchen which was locked top middle and bottom. They then were met with ANOTHER solid hardwood door dividing the kitchen between the rest of the house....also locked top middle and bottom (I've think I've mentioned before I live in fort knox
).Nothing taken this time...But I just feel like putting sticker on every window saying burgled 2 times in one year...insurance have not paid...so **** off.
I didn't have CCTV...work in progress still.....but if I had, it wouldn't have had a battery backup. Looking at the alarm logs they spent half an hour loitering round the property after killing the power before getting inside. So looks like I'm going to need a UPS to run the internet and CCTV if I'm going ahead with this plan < sigh >
Credit to plod...turned up SWAT style in five mins after being handed over to the correct handler....8mins was wasted by 999 operators who kept putting me through to the wrong force and cutting me off.
Also props to Western power...turned up in 30mins to replace the main fuse
Anyhoo....lets see what the insurers say on this one....Yes I'm still insured with teh same bunch; policy hadn't expired yet.
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11 June 2015, 03:24 PM
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Sorry to hear that mate: Is there something you're doing to attract the attention of the scum: Gold plated gates in the drive ...... Sticker for membership of the Rolex owners club in the window? 
I opted for a monitored alarm system with live video feed (in the event the alarm is triggered) in my house. If anyone should get it they'll be a) deaf lol b) on candy Camera!
Each year I wonder if the £200 subscription (don't go for any policy where you don't own the hardware) is a good investment, but then I read a story like this!
Hope the insurance company pays up eventually!
Best
Paul
I opted for a monitored alarm system with live video feed (in the event the alarm is triggered) in my house. If anyone should get it they'll be a) deaf lol b) on candy Camera!
Each year I wonder if the £200 subscription (don't go for any policy where you don't own the hardware) is a good investment, but then I read a story like this!
Hope the insurance company pays up eventually!
Best
Paul
11 June 2015, 11:24 PM
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I'm lucky (ahem) in the respect they didn't manage to take anything so no idea what they were after this time(no flashy cars on the drive). But this time they did more costly damage in trying.
The house is a obvious target from the front...it looks nice, frontage sheltered by a huge tree the council won't let me prune (TPO order and consent for pruning rejected
), no immediately overlooking neighbors and there's a bridal path giving multiple escape routes with a nice lay-by at the end for the getaway car, so it was always going to be an inviting target: if you ignore the security grills on most of the windows. The plain 1960's box I used to live in certainly attracted less trouble, which I put down to it being a much more open/overlooked area with all the neighbors on all four side being retired and in their house most of the time, that and there being "posher" areas down the road for richer pickings.
Had the window guy round earlier and he noticed they also tried to lever open the bi-fold door...denting and chipping the frames.....So far to bring it back "as before" condition it a load of window frames, three doors and at least two sections of bi-fold. Unless dent-master can pop-out creases in aluminum frames.
Need to get the electric meter/main fuse better secured. I can get it moved to inside the garage (same wall) or stick a hinged steel box over the current flimsy plastic door which will stop them cutting the power. With that in mind I need to better secure the broadband and phone lines.
I think the next step is making sure that I know if someone is messing on the driveway whilst I'm away, and stopping them getting round the back; Easier said than done, well, doing it all neatly at least.
The house is a obvious target from the front...it looks nice, frontage sheltered by a huge tree the council won't let me prune (TPO order and consent for pruning rejected
), no immediately overlooking neighbors and there's a bridal path giving multiple escape routes with a nice lay-by at the end for the getaway car, so it was always going to be an inviting target: if you ignore the security grills on most of the windows. The plain 1960's box I used to live in certainly attracted less trouble, which I put down to it being a much more open/overlooked area with all the neighbors on all four side being retired and in their house most of the time, that and there being "posher" areas down the road for richer pickings.Had the window guy round earlier and he noticed they also tried to lever open the bi-fold door...denting and chipping the frames.....So far to bring it back "as before" condition it a load of window frames, three doors and at least two sections of bi-fold. Unless dent-master can pop-out creases in aluminum frames.
Need to get the electric meter/main fuse better secured. I can get it moved to inside the garage (same wall) or stick a hinged steel box over the current flimsy plastic door which will stop them cutting the power. With that in mind I need to better secure the broadband and phone lines.
I think the next step is making sure that I know if someone is messing on the driveway whilst I'm away, and stopping them getting round the back; Easier said than done, well, doing it all neatly at least.
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11 June 2015, 11:57 PM
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Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Sounds like you need a big dog in your life, as you know I live way out in the sticks with some dodgy gypsies always on the prowl, they all know there's a big dog with attitude here now and stay well clear, not seen a gypo down here for 2 and a half years now, last dodgy looking Bosnian lumber jack that came by on horse back a month or so back shat himself when he saw my Cane Corso foaming at the mouth being held back by me, everyone round here knows there's a well trained big *** bad attituded monster on my hill, even a couple of local dogs that gave him sh*t when he was a pup don't show their faces since I let him loose to get his own back, he's King of the hill.
Sounds like you need a big dog in your life, as you know I live way out in the sticks with some dodgy gypsies always on the prowl, they all know there's a big dog with attitude here now and stay well clear, not seen a gypo down here for 2 and a half years now, last dodgy looking Bosnian lumber jack that came by on horse back a month or so back shat himself when he saw my Cane Corso foaming at the mouth being held back by me, everyone round here knows there's a well trained big *** bad attituded monster on my hill, even a couple of local dogs that gave him sh*t when he was a pup don't show their faces since I let him loose to get his own back, he's King of the hill.
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12 June 2015, 12:08 AM
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Sorry to hear your shít news, Ali. Let's hope the scum die a slow death!
i have mine locked in a box, not that they'd get that far.
You know this is all possible depending on how much you want to spend. I have PIRs around the grounds that email me on trigger via outputs on my DVR which additionally trigger my cameras to turn and zoom in to the problem zone. I can immediately check my phone and view the scene. If there is a reason to be concerned I can trigger my siren from my phone which is louder than anything available on the market. In the meantime I will be heading home.
I've never had any trouble where I am but it is relatively remote and so I prefer to think I've done what I can.
Need to get the electric meter/main fuse better secured. I can get it moved to inside the garage (same wall) or stick a hinged steel box over the current flimsy plastic door which will stop them cutting the power. With that in mind I need to better secure the broadband and phone lines.
I've never had any trouble where I am but it is relatively remote and so I prefer to think I've done what I can.
12 June 2015, 07:47 AM
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I don't think its humane for me to have a dog just so he's stuck in the house all day while I'm at work; the boredom and isolation alone can cause them to have many issues.
Rolly (fuzzy little yappy thing who likes German shepherds and thinks he is one ) is currently with my mums partner (retired). And when I have him he's alway with me as I take him to work.
Long long time ago we used to have Dobermans and when I started work it broke my heart having to leave Max all day on his own and he did suffer, I used to be able to pop back from college and school over lunch and free periods so he was alone for 3 hours max.
These days these days that would be stuck penned in for 10 hours every day - that's no fair way to treat a dog. I know people who do it but I don't agree with it.
Rolly (fuzzy little yappy thing who likes German shepherds and thinks he is one
) is currently with my mums partner (retired). And when I have him he's alway with me as I take him to work.Long long time ago we used to have Dobermans and when I started work it broke my heart having to leave Max all day on his own and he did suffer, I used to be able to pop back from college and school over lunch and free periods so he was alone for 3 hours max.
These days these days that would be stuck penned in for 10 hours every day - that's no fair way to treat a dog. I know people who do it but I don't agree with it.
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12 June 2015, 10:01 AM
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That would be a horrible thing to do 
but it doesn't surprise me. Is there any recorded news cases of a burglar doing that? He does stay in the garden with a cays locked gate but I guess that doesn't stop them from throwing something over the fence. You'd have to be extremely desperate to kill a dog to rob a house though!! Although I expect that 99% of criminals do not go around with posioned meat in their tool bag....
but it doesn't surprise me. Is there any recorded news cases of a burglar doing that? He does stay in the garden with a cays locked gate but I guess that doesn't stop them from throwing something over the fence. You'd have to be extremely desperate to kill a dog to rob a house though!! Although I expect that 99% of criminals do not go around with posioned meat in their tool bag....
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12 June 2015, 10:35 AM
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Then of course there are levels of dog security much like levels of security hardware. A decent protection dog can be trained to refuse food except from its owner. At the end of the day it is all about how serious you take the word security and how much you're willing to spend for said security.
12 June 2015, 01:09 PM
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One of these on any access points to the house should do it!
One of these on any access points to the house should do it!
12 June 2015, 01:34 PM
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One of these on any access points to the house should do it!
One of these on any access points to the house should do it!
12 June 2015, 01:37 PM
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Sorry to hear about that Ali.
I'm upgrading some of my alarm system and was thinking about wireless bump sensors on all rear windows and doors. The problem is I'd have to upgrade the main panel to make it compatible with wireless sensors, which will cost quite a bit.
In terms of what happened to you (and assuming your leccy meter was inside) do you think bump sensors would have helped?
I'm upgrading some of my alarm system and was thinking about wireless bump sensors on all rear windows and doors. The problem is I'd have to upgrade the main panel to make it compatible with wireless sensors, which will cost quite a bit.
In terms of what happened to you (and assuming your leccy meter was inside) do you think bump sensors would have helped?
12 June 2015, 01:53 PM
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That's some serious lengths they're going to. What on earth do they think you have! I thought burglars were supposed to take the easy option unless they think they know something very good is in there and it's someone more serious.
Happened to my grand parents' dog. Was totally zonked out when they arrived home to a burgled house.
That would be a horrible thing to do but it doesn't surprise me. Is there any recorded news cases of a burglar doing that? He does stay in the garden with a cays locked gate but I guess that doesn't stop them from throwing something over the fence. You'd have to be extremely desperate to kill a dog to rob a house though!! Although I expect that 99% of criminals do not go around with posioned meat in their tool bag....
but it doesn't surprise me. Is there any recorded news cases of a burglar doing that? He does stay in the garden with a cays locked gate but I guess that doesn't stop them from throwing something over the fence. You'd have to be extremely desperate to kill a dog to rob a house though!! Although I expect that 99% of criminals do not go around with posioned meat in their tool bag....Happened to my grand parents' dog. Was totally zonked out when they arrived home to a burgled house.
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One of these on any access points to the house should do it!
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12 June 2015, 06:10 PM
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Sorry to hear about that Ali.
I'm upgrading some of my alarm system and was thinking about wireless bump sensors on all rear windows and doors. The problem is I'd have to upgrade the main panel to make it compatible with wireless sensors, which will cost quite a bit.
In terms of what happened to you (and assuming your leccy meter was inside) do you think bump sensors would have helped?
I'm upgrading some of my alarm system and was thinking about wireless bump sensors on all rear windows and doors. The problem is I'd have to upgrade the main panel to make it compatible with wireless sensors, which will cost quite a bit.
In terms of what happened to you (and assuming your leccy meter was inside) do you think bump sensors would have helped?
12 June 2015, 06:21 PM
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I think you might be interested in seeing exactly what does go on in your area that you don't know of. https://www.police.uk
12 June 2015, 06:26 PM
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Then of course there are levels of dog security much like levels of security hardware. A decent protection dog can be trained to refuse food except from its owner. At the end of the day it is all about how serious you take the word security and how much you're willing to spend for said security.
What happens if the owner dies?
12 June 2015, 08:29 PM
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It has been said before, in most cases there is no worry about crime at all. It doesn't stop people wanting to do what they can though.
I think you might be interested in seeing exactly what does go on in your area that you don't know of. https://www.police.uk
I think you might be interested in seeing exactly what does go on in your area that you don't know of. https://www.police.uk
