I would not have shaken his hand
19 May 2015, 06:05 PM
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I would not have shaken his hand
I'm surprised Prince Charles shook Adams hand today, as well as a lot of the media reporting how the IRA "killed" Mountbatten.
No they murdered him, as well as many others.
No they murdered him, as well as many others.
19 May 2015, 06:07 PM
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sounds like you think he should be shot,,,, o wait that kinda thinking is what caused it all in the first palce 
Have to move on if you want to stop violence like that
Have to move on if you want to stop violence like that
19 May 2015, 06:40 PM
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I'm not suggesting that for one minute, I deplore the violence that comes from any such group more so those using religion as a weapon, it's as pathetic as the members of these groups, be it the IRA, IS, Baader Meinhof or ETA etc etc.
Would you have shaken the hand of a man that probably had some part in planning the murder of your great uncle ?
Charlie is obviously a bigger man than me because I just couldn't do that.
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It's taken a lot of brave talking,planning and crap swallowing for the troubles of Ireland
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
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20 May 2015, 10:47 AM
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20 May 2015, 11:36 AM
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It's taken a lot of brave talking,planning and crap swallowing for the troubles of Ireland
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
20 May 2015, 12:40 PM
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It's taken a lot of brave talking,planning and crap swallowing for the troubles of Ireland
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
20 May 2015, 03:14 PM
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It boils my p!ss too Funkii however what I find worse is that terrorist cvnt McGuinness shaking the hand of the Queen.
And yes if anyone wants to ask I do think the SAS/Paras should have shot McGuinness in the 70s/80's with any other IRA terrorists they had in their sights. He was head of the IRA and therefore no different to Osama Bin Laden or any other leader of a terrorist organisation.
And yes if anyone wants to ask I do think the SAS/Paras should have shot McGuinness in the 70s/80's with any other IRA terrorists they had in their sights. He was head of the IRA and therefore no different to Osama Bin Laden or any other leader of a terrorist organisation.
20 May 2015, 03:38 PM
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It boils my p!ss too Funkii however what I find worse is that terrorist cvnt McGuinness shaking the hand of the Queen.
And yes if anyone wants to ask I do think the SAS/Paras should have shot McGuinness in the 70s/80's with any other IRA terrorists they had in their sights. He was head of the IRA and therefore no different to Osama Bin Laden or any other leader of a terrorist organisation.
And yes if anyone wants to ask I do think the SAS/Paras should have shot McGuinness in the 70s/80's with any other IRA terrorists they had in their sights. He was head of the IRA and therefore no different to Osama Bin Laden or any other leader of a terrorist organisation.
20 May 2015, 03:48 PM
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I understand that Maz and whilst I understand things have to go forward and I can just about get my head around Jerry Adams being part of the peace process I draw the line at McGuinness.
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21 May 2015, 12:48 PM
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Whist I think that Adams and McGuiness are despicable chracters, we have to move on.
Also, the paras murdered innocent civilians in NI too. They were bad times, and if we are not to repeat them, then as Hirohito said in 1945 "we must endure the un-endurable".
Also, the paras murdered innocent civilians in NI too. They were bad times, and if we are not to repeat them, then as Hirohito said in 1945 "we must endure the un-endurable".
21 May 2015, 06:45 PM
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What is probably not reported in the 'mainland' media reports, is that there remains a small but dangerous grouping in Ireland who want to drag NI back to where it was over 20 years ago, they are so entrenched in the past they won't move on. Messrs Adams & McGuinness and many of their party colleagues now must watch over their shoulder as they live life under threat from those dissident elements, who while small in number are dangerous and reckless.
The term coined locally is 'the peace process' - it is a process which has taken time, and will take more time yet, it has been fraught with difficulty, and it is far from perfect. Without putting the past where it belongs that process cannot move forward - that is not to say the past should be forgotten, to forget it, would risk repeating the mistakes made previously.
I have lost friends and colleagues in 'the troubles' or 'the conflict' - call it what you will, I had my own neartest, near miss on 7th October '96 when an 800lb bomb in the back of a Volvo Estate car detonated less than 50m in front of me; as my brain started to process what had just happened, my colleagues and I realised there were casualties more seriously injured than we were who needed moved to safety, as we carried them on makeshift stretchers, which were actually mattresses from the bedding store, we ferried them towards the medical centre for emergency first aid; as we carried the first casualties in, a second car bomb detonated right outside, which caused my friend and colleague Jim Bradwell to be fatally injured.
Few will remember his name, few will know or care about the impact this loss had on his family; that his Daughter can't face getting married, as she cant contemplate the thought of her dad not being at her side on that special day; Romana has two children, who have been denied a grandfather, every family celebration has a bitter sting to it, as the absence of a grandfather, father and husband is so deeply felt.
None of this makes my point of view or opinions on the subject any more relevant than anyone elses, but for my children's future and that of a generation not old enough to remember 'the troubles' first hand, I hope the general direction of travel remains progressive, this is a better way than clinging to the past.
The term coined locally is 'the peace process' - it is a process which has taken time, and will take more time yet, it has been fraught with difficulty, and it is far from perfect. Without putting the past where it belongs that process cannot move forward - that is not to say the past should be forgotten, to forget it, would risk repeating the mistakes made previously.
I have lost friends and colleagues in 'the troubles' or 'the conflict' - call it what you will, I had my own neartest, near miss on 7th October '96 when an 800lb bomb in the back of a Volvo Estate car detonated less than 50m in front of me; as my brain started to process what had just happened, my colleagues and I realised there were casualties more seriously injured than we were who needed moved to safety, as we carried them on makeshift stretchers, which were actually mattresses from the bedding store, we ferried them towards the medical centre for emergency first aid; as we carried the first casualties in, a second car bomb detonated right outside, which caused my friend and colleague Jim Bradwell to be fatally injured.
Few will remember his name, few will know or care about the impact this loss had on his family; that his Daughter can't face getting married, as she cant contemplate the thought of her dad not being at her side on that special day; Romana has two children, who have been denied a grandfather, every family celebration has a bitter sting to it, as the absence of a grandfather, father and husband is so deeply felt.
None of this makes my point of view or opinions on the subject any more relevant than anyone elses, but for my children's future and that of a generation not old enough to remember 'the troubles' first hand, I hope the general direction of travel remains progressive, this is a better way than clinging to the past.
21 May 2015, 07:07 PM
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It's taken a lot of brave talking,planning and crap swallowing for the troubles of Ireland
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
To be put behind us all. I salute everybody who has given something to maintain the current situation. I have been fortunate to have visited both North and South Ireland and every person I ever met where always good as gold towards me, I do wish them peace, I can remember constant press details of the death and destruction caused by the troubles.
Let the past be remembered but not sour the future.
What is probably not reported in the 'mainland' media reports, is that there remains a small but dangerous grouping in Ireland who want to drag NI back to where it was over 20 years ago, they are so entrenched in the past they won't move on. Messrs Adams & McGuinness and many of their party colleagues now must watch over their shoulder as they live life under threat from those dissident elements, who while small in number are dangerous and reckless.
The term coined locally is 'the peace process' - it is a process which has taken time, and will take more time yet, it has been fraught with difficulty, and it is far from perfect. Without putting the past where it belongs that process cannot move forward - that is not to say the past should be forgotten, to forget it, would risk repeating the mistakes made previously.
I have lost friends and colleagues in 'the troubles' or 'the conflict' - call it what you will, I had my own neartest, near miss on 7th October '96 when an 800lb bomb in the back of a Volvo Estate car detonated less than 50m in front of me; as my brain started to process what had just happened, my colleagues and I realised there were casualties more seriously injured than we were who needed moved to safety, as we carried them on makeshift stretchers, which were actually mattresses from the bedding store, we ferried them towards the medical centre for emergency first aid; as we carried the first casualties in, a second car bomb detonated right outside, which caused my friend and colleague Jim Bradwell to be fatally injured.
Few will remember his name, few will know or care about the impact this loss had on his family; that his Daughter can't face getting married, as she cant contemplate the thought of her dad not being at her side on that special day; Romana has two children, who have been denied a grandfather, every family celebration has a bitter sting to it, as the absence of a grandfather, father and husband is so deeply felt.
None of this makes my point of view or opinions on the subject any more relevant than anyone elses, but for my children's future and that of a generation not old enough to remember 'the troubles' first hand, I hope the general direction of travel remains progressive, this is a better way than clinging to the past.
The term coined locally is 'the peace process' - it is a process which has taken time, and will take more time yet, it has been fraught with difficulty, and it is far from perfect. Without putting the past where it belongs that process cannot move forward - that is not to say the past should be forgotten, to forget it, would risk repeating the mistakes made previously.
I have lost friends and colleagues in 'the troubles' or 'the conflict' - call it what you will, I had my own neartest, near miss on 7th October '96 when an 800lb bomb in the back of a Volvo Estate car detonated less than 50m in front of me; as my brain started to process what had just happened, my colleagues and I realised there were casualties more seriously injured than we were who needed moved to safety, as we carried them on makeshift stretchers, which were actually mattresses from the bedding store, we ferried them towards the medical centre for emergency first aid; as we carried the first casualties in, a second car bomb detonated right outside, which caused my friend and colleague Jim Bradwell to be fatally injured.
Few will remember his name, few will know or care about the impact this loss had on his family; that his Daughter can't face getting married, as she cant contemplate the thought of her dad not being at her side on that special day; Romana has two children, who have been denied a grandfather, every family celebration has a bitter sting to it, as the absence of a grandfather, father and husband is so deeply felt.
None of this makes my point of view or opinions on the subject any more relevant than anyone elses, but for my children's future and that of a generation not old enough to remember 'the troubles' first hand, I hope the general direction of travel remains progressive, this is a better way than clinging to the past.
And even as a committed republican - Prince Charles has risen in my estimations regarding this
At some point you have to move on, and that does not have to mean forgetting, but the focus has to be on the future
21 May 2015, 09:55 PM
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Tarmac that's a post that brings it home and i'm genuinely sorry to hear of what you went through and the family of your friend.
I am all for the peace process even if my posts above come across as different and as mentioned above I reluctantly accept Gerry Adams is part of that process but I will never trust Martin McGuinness and believe he probably still has a hand firmly in IRA matters simply because of his past. Do the people of Northern Ireland though think deep down that he has truly left his past behind him and is no longer involved in any shape or form with the hierarchy of the IRA? I can't be the only one to distrust him because of his past?
I may be wrong but i'd put money on the security forces keeping a close eye on him and have the same distrust of him.
I am all for the peace process even if my posts above come across as different and as mentioned above I reluctantly accept Gerry Adams is part of that process but I will never trust Martin McGuinness and believe he probably still has a hand firmly in IRA matters simply because of his past. Do the people of Northern Ireland though think deep down that he has truly left his past behind him and is no longer involved in any shape or form with the hierarchy of the IRA? I can't be the only one to distrust him because of his past?
I may be wrong but i'd put money on the security forces keeping a close eye on him and have the same distrust of him.
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