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Old 14 May 2015, 12:18 PM
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Default New strike laws - the irony

Sajid Javid is intending to change the law on strikes so that any strike affecting essential public services would need the backing of 40% of those eligible to vote.

Can anyone else see the irony in this?
Old 14 May 2015, 12:32 PM
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Irony aside, I find it astonishing that you can strike with just 40% (even as a trade union member). To my mind any union action should require a majority vote in favour.
Old 14 May 2015, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Sajid Javid is intending to change the law on strikes so that any strike affecting essential public services would need the backing of 40% of those eligible to vote.

Can anyone else see the irony in this?
Are you trying to equate a yes/no strike ballot with a multiple-choice general election which is in no way the same thing?
Old 14 May 2015, 12:42 PM
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Slam in the really shiity stuff as near the election victory( good will ) as possible !
Old 14 May 2015, 12:49 PM
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strikes should be banned full stop, but at least 51% of those eligible to vote should be in favour before strike action can happen.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Irony aside, I find it astonishing that you can strike with just 40% (even as a trade union member). To my mind any union action should require a majority vote in favour.
No you must have over 50% of the vote, but the plan is that additionally the total vote to strike must be over 40% of the total eligible to vote!
Old 14 May 2015, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
strikes should be banned full stop, but at least 51% of those eligible to vote should be in favour before strike action can happen.
Sh1tty governments and greedy companies are what needs banning!

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Old 14 May 2015, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Sh1tty governments and greedy companies are what needs banning!
people maketh the government and companies
Old 14 May 2015, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
people maketh the government and companies
True and there are a lot of greedy self serving crooked sh1theads in the English population!
Old 14 May 2015, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
True and there are a lot of greedy self serving crooked sh1theads in the English population!
not just english lol
Old 14 May 2015, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Sajid Javid
what a tool this guy is

he was on the radio last week, the presenter asked about the situation at Whistl - the letter delivery company who had announced 2000 jobs were under threat and in "consultation"

and what he was doing about it

all Sajid said was that he had been in touch with the Job Centre


Great, but in the studio they actually had an employee of Whistl (obviously under threat of losing his job, but still employed)

who was naturally quite surprised to hear from the Minister that he had basically lost his job, otherwise why bother with speaking to the Job centre

remember YOU are all in this together - LOL

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Old 14 May 2015, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
what a tool this guy is

he was on the radio last week, the presenter asked about the situation at Whistl - the letter delivery company who had announced 2000 jobs were under threat and in "consultation"

and what he was doing about it

all Sajid said was that he had been in touch with the Job Centre


Great, but in the studio they actually had an employee of Whistl (obviously under threat of losing his job, but still employed)

who was naturally quite surprised to hear from the Minister that he had basically lost his job, otherwise why bother with speaking to the Job centre

remember YOU are all in this together - LOL

As Whistle (TNT) is a private company, why is it that the government is perceived to be under any obligation to 'do' anything?
Old 14 May 2015, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Sh1tty governments and greedy companies are what needs banning!
No, you are what needs banning.

You would be bigging-up North Korea if it provided you an opportunity to slate England in some way.

When they finally stick you in a straitjacket and dope you up daily, can you make sure we all know. Perhaps we can arrange a 'meet' so we can all come to point and laugh at you over a drink. There would probably be more takers for that than the one you are planning.
Old 14 May 2015, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
As Whistle (TNT) is a private company, why is it that the government is perceived to be under any obligation to 'do' anything?
sure, if that's the view - that the UK business minister has no obligation to help/intervene in anyway just put a call into the Job centre

I'm OK with that - I fully understand the concept of a pure market driven "laissez faire" economic and industrial policy

I just felt a little sorry for the employee - who was really proud of where he worked, wanted to work, had been unemployed for a time and now faces it all over again
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
No, you are what needs banning.

You would be bigging-up North Korea if it provided you an opportunity to slate England in some way.

When they finally stick you in a straitjacket and dope you up daily, can you make sure we all know. Perhaps we can arrange a 'meet' so we can all come to point and laugh at you over a drink. There would probably be more takers for that than the one you are planning.
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Would anyone here want to return to the era of Wildcat strikes, and the damage caused by unsupported strikes like the Miners' strike?


I certainly wouldn't.

And I suspect that, if asked, there are a LOT of ex-miners who wish they had had the laws then as are now. They MIGHT still be in work...and we might not be sat on a mountain of unobtainable coal, yet importing stuff dug by 14 year olds
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We had flying pickets and Scargill though ...
Old 14 May 2015, 02:26 PM
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Exactly...do we want that back? He tried his damnedest to close our works here to support his un-winnable battle with Thatcher.
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
No, you are what needs banning.

You would be bigging-up North Korea if it provided you an opportunity to slate England in some way.

When they finally stick you in a straitjacket and dope you up daily, can you make sure we all know. Perhaps we can arrange a 'meet' so we can all come to point and laugh at you over a drink. There would probably be more takers for that than the one you are planning.


Meet organised - top thread of NSR list, feel free to come along as I would just love to meet you in person. No moderators to save your *** there
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
sure, if that's the view - that the UK business minister has no obligation to help/intervene in anyway just put a call into the Job centre

I'm OK with that - I fully understand the concept of a pure market driven "laissez faire" economic and industrial policy

I just felt a little sorry for the employee - who was really proud of where he worked, wanted to work, had been unemployed for a time and now faces it all over again
Well said, at least someone else on here has a little emotional intelligence!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan


Meet organised - top thread of NSR list, feel free to come along as I would just love to meet you in person. No moderators to save your *** there

Sounds like a pick up line
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Originally Posted by dpb
Sounds like a pick up line
Only if you're a moron... ah I see!
Old 14 May 2015, 04:15 PM
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Good old Britian.Still in the dark ages when it comes to company structure & politics.The same old us & them attitude.

We need more equality & share schemes & profit sharing.Representatives at board level & decision making. Incentivise the work force don't alienate them.
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Originally Posted by dpb
Sounds like a pick up line

And I'd need to bring the KY Jelly by the looks of it.
Can't say I'm surprised, he'd need to use protection though as there's no telling where he's been.
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As I said.. if you're a moron
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well said, at least someone else on here has a little emotional intelligence!
yes, it was quite sad really, apparently he was still in his whistle uniform, his pride in his job was obvious and he said at the depot, when the announcement was made, gown men were in tears

(I suspect they know what awaits them - labelled as workshy scroungers)

still the minister has already rung the Jobcentre, so he is on top of his game - and every cloud !!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Good old Britian.Still in the dark ages when it comes to company structure & politics.The same old us & them attitude.

We need more equality & share schemes & profit sharing.Representatives at board level & decision making. Incentivise the work force don't alienate them.
I worked in the UK for 30 years, not in industry for most of the time, but the public sector.

After leaving industry, where my work was appreciated and I knew it, I was actually thanked and told I'd done a decent job ONCE in all that time, despite doing a HELL of a sight more than most a lot of which on my own time.

But put a foot wrong...........
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
No, you are what needs banning.
Old 14 May 2015, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yes, it was quite sad really, apparently he was still in his whistle uniform, his pride in his job was obvious and he said at the depot, when the announcement was made, gown men were in tears

(I suspect they know what awaits them - labelled as workshy scroungers)

still the minister has already rung the Jobcentre, so he is on top of his game - and every cloud !!!!!!!!
Leaving party politics and point scoring aside I really do wonder how MPS turn out like this. Is it just they are so disconnected from the real world they don't realise or are they just genuinely uncaring? It's a pattern repeated time and time again and it really needs to stop!
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Jesus, does a day go by where you don't put up one of these dog turd threads? You're like a broken record for gods sake. I don't mind the occasional political thread but every time I click new posts it's full of this drivel.


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