BoozyDave

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looks like 2 cars racing in fog, one car hit an innocent vehicle coming the other way luckily the driver of the other car only broke his leg, very lucky escape

only 100m from a crash 3 years ago that killed 3 teenagers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-30075184

pflowers

What a tragic waste of five young lives.

thenewgalaxy

A senseless waste of life, unfortunately the reckless actions of two idiots has ruined the lives of many people.

alcazar

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Reads like three sixteen year olds driving one of the cars?

When are the UK government going to clamp down on it?

donny andi

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My daughter is off to the memorial tonight
Sad times for the families of the innocent.

Assume there will be a few cameras going in very soon

Funkii Munkii

How do you propose they do that

stonejedi

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Early driving Education,and changing drivers attitudes's towards driving and road safety is the only way,the public road is not a race track.SJ.

^Qwerty^

And that's even more tragic, that the local safety partnership will be along shortly to propose just that, brain washing people in to thinking speed cameras will stop things like this happening, they'll stick one up, they'll be no accidents for 3 years and they'll claim it as a success.

f1_fan

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That's how politicians work though. Lots of mutual backslapping rather than addressing the problem properly.

hodgy0_2

what does the actual data say regarding speed cameras

do they actually reduce road traffic collisions

some local authorities have switched off their cameras - what has happened to accident/death rates?

anyone know?

Felix.

They reduce the speed of the cars - less speed = less fatalities

donny andi

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There's one a mile or 2 down the road from where this happened as the road goes to 3 lanes (2 coming up the hill crawler lane) , it's always been used as a race track people just brake for the camera then boot it again till the next camera .

donny andi

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Not on this road...
Sure there's only 2 and the odd camera van once in a blue moon, all the cameras do is make them brake back down to the limit for 30 seconds and then it's game on again.
Seen it 100 times heading back to town

hodgy0_2

sure, you can never legislate for total idiots - from the reports they were racing

have said this before - the biggest killer of teenage girls are teenage boys, in cars

but it would be interesting to get actual data around the use of speed camer

alcazar

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Well, for a start, unless I've read it wrong, sixteen year olds must have been driving illegally?

And do you really believe that the punishments handed out to people driving illegally are worth anything?
I mean...."You are driving without a license...please don't do it again..."

come on......

Maz

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Three of the occupants were sixteen and two were eighteen. I presume it was one of the eighteen year olds driving.

^Qwerty^

So based on that simplistic explanation, should the maximum limit on ANY road be 20mph then, one death being one too many? What if somebody still gets killed, do we reduce it to 10? Or is there a number where the number of deaths is acceptable for the convenience of speed we want to drive at and associated time it takes getting from A to B?

ditchmyster

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So what actually happened? I'm getting the impression that the car that had the fatalities was racing another car in fog, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Maz

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From what I've seen/heard, the car the fatalities were in (Corsa) and another car (Toyota), paired up at a McDonald's. They set off from there and it would appear engaged in a 'race'. The Corsa ended up in the opposing carriageway colliding with another car. All the occupants of the Corsa were killed, the occupants of the other car weren't seriously hurt. The driver of the Toyota has been charged with dangerous driving.

donny andi

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Other way round Maz...Toyota fcuked up , corsa came back

Maz

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My bad.

ditchmyster

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Thanks guys, so fatalities in the Toyota? was it a Yaris then as anything else would be a decent sized car and handle a reasonable impact.

Felix.

In theory and in an ideal world - yes. If every vehicle is set at a maximum speed limit at 10mph i would suggest the number of road deaths will be incredibly low.

However, common sense would suggest that this is not possible and not wanted by the public; so there has to be a balance. But everything will be dependant on the fact that there is a 'human being' behind every wheel and nothing can prevent/legislate for driver error, stupidity, medical issues etc etc

angel1368

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so the poor people in the innocent car that was in wrong place at wrong time survived?

piehole1983

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Think it was a Corolla

Lisawrx

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It wouldn't address the real issue of why people feel it is ok to use the road as their own race track, but maybe a 'better' option would be set of average speed cameras across that particular stretch of road, rather than the odd ordinary speed camera?

That said, the use of cameras shouldn't fully replace education. People need to have hammered home to them, the devastating consequences of driving dangerously (not just speeding). As sad as this is, perhaps what has happened here will make some other people think twice about how they drive, particularly locals/those who knew the people killed.

^Qwerty^

And this is what annoys me; as I said earlier, the Safety Partnership will be along shortly saying we need more cameras, but they will never stop things like this happening - I don't think anything will to be honest, although black boxes seem to work well, but also have their failings.

alcazar

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You are right, I read it wrong.
My bad.

smiffywhu

Yes he survived with a broken leg, no doubt a broken mind and broken heart too though poor fella

Maz

iTrader: (34)

You can only go so far to protect others from the recklessness of some. Perhaps a spike in the centre of the steering wheel and deletion of seat belts?

http://io9.com/5751216/would-putting...make-you-safer