Maz

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This is the shortened version. I'm 1 hour 25 minutes in and seriously questioning which version of history to believe.

Norman Dog

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I find him one of the most fascinating figures in history, think I'll give that one a look.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Normally I'd dismiss it as right wing claptrap. However having a little knowledge and deep interest in history, I gave it a go. It's a riveting watch.

hodgy0_2

Without having to waste too much time

What's the central thesis then

He was simply a nationalist (a product of his time)

He sorted out a bankrupt basket case of a nation (morally, economically, physically, militarily)

War was somehow forced on him

He did not know the scope of the Final solution

Stalin was much worse

Communism represented a bigger danger


All tinged with a very feint whiff of anti Semitism

Maz

iTrader: (34)

He (Hitler) actually had an agreement with the Zionists and collaborated with them in their and their assets relocation to Palestine. His driver and friend was of Jewish descent. When this came to light, Himmler wanted him removed but Hitler refused.
There were quite a few high ranking Jews in the German military.
Hitler's invasion of Poland was to regain lost territory and protect ethnic Germans. Look up Danzig massacre.
Watch the video, it joins quite a few dots.

dpb

Wasn't he a frustrated art student who simply used the dogmatic german approach to exploit the grievances of the age

hodgy0_2

Yes I just dipped in @ 2.20 odd for ten mins


So, the music for a start - when showing the German preparations for the battle of kursk

It is rousing triumphalist music, almost hallelujah - then the video cuts to the Russians, the music suddenly takes on a menacing du dum du dum tone

And the section ends with an unattributed voice over from a woman saying oh how wonderful the retreating Germans are

With the video showing Russians executing people

I think I know when I'm being "played" Maz

What's the narrative here?

And that's just 10 mins, and some of the footage looks computer generated too

But some very good authentic footage as well, did you know that the German only ever produced 1500 odd Tiger 1 tanks, incredible

hodgy0_2

Omg we then launch into a montage featuring Germans soldiers and civilians in the snow (not hungry though no, because the German soldiers provided - just fvcking cold - hmmm like russia in winter then, but defiantly not hungry)

All to a sad Céline Dion soft rock ballad

hodgy0_2

Of fvck

It then cuts to a section on the Partisans, and this is from a completely different program - one section of a program from a proper documentary series, that showed all sides of the war

ScoobyWon't

Fixed that for you

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Forget the music Hodgy, I'm more concerned with the bigger picture. The main points being did Hitler seek to avoid war and was his invasion of Poland motivated by the attacks on the ethnic Germans?
Furthermore did Churchill seek to prolong the conflict by involving the US. Watch the video, if it's all propaganda it should be easy to refute.

stipete75

Israel is effectively bankrolled and owned by the Rothschilds, the main financial backers of the **** party and the German State once hitler got into power. A main one was prescott Bush (George W. Bush's grandfather).
Ever wondered how Germany went, almost overnight, from financial collapse and hyper-inflation to the '**** econiomic miracle' with new factories, industries (Volkswagon) and autobahns being built, and enough money left over to rebuild an airforce, navy, and massive army from scratch?
The answer is Rothschild money, channeled through the family of two recent US Presidents (again, not 'conspiracy theory tin-hattery - its all a matter of well establishedand documented historical record).
The largest recipient is of US foreign aid (Israel) and who vetoes all UN resolutions against war crimes, human rights abuses and land grabs by Israel (Israel is currently in violation of FORTY TWO UN resolutions - Iraq was invaded when Saddam Hussein violated just ONE), and then look at who funds the pro-Israel lobby in the USA, who owns the banks through which american money is funnelled to the Israeli government and military, and who the major shareholders are in arms companies in the USA and UK that supply Israel. In each case you into rothschild controlled corporations every single time.

And when you understand why ONE super-wealthy and influential family would fund both Hitler and Netanyahu, or simultaneously fund both the ***** while they conducted the holocaust and Zionist terrorist groups in Palestine fighting against the British to establish a Jewish State in the 1940s then you'll big a big step further forward in understanding how global financial politics actually works, and how wide the gulf is between the 'official' story the media propogates and the facts.

hodgy0_2

And the section on Otto Skorzeny

What that got to do with anything, yes amazing raid by a charismatic and cavalier soldier - that is not in question (the films narrative seems to think it is - the Nobel German!!!!)

Who the film goes onto say was "the most dangerous man in Europe" by the Allies


No **** Sherlock, the British and Americans where hardly going to say - "**** he's good, and a bloody nice guy too"

hodgy0_2

Okay

First No, and every single historian would agree

And re Churchill - well this is nothing new, nothing new Maz (don't let the video convince there is something amazing and hidden here, its not)

Churchill's role, certainly in the later stages, when the final outcome was not in doubt was absolutely duplicitous

Churchill's main aim, after 1943 was to maintain the British empire - a simple fact

That drove military and diplomatic policy (markedly so in North Africa and India, Pakistan, Burma)

But the irony was that this chimed with Stalin's Empire building world view, but was TOTALY at odd with the America and Roosevelt view

America was fighting for freedom and self determination, not the preservation of British rule in India and the subcontinent - but that is exactly what Churchill and lord Louis Mountbatten where fighting for

This is nothing knew Maz, there where massive tensions between the Americans and the British at the Yalta conference

The splitting of Europe was a stitch up between Churchill and Stalin

It was about the preservation and propagation of Empires

Hard I know to grasp in these times, but then an anthema to Roosevelt and the American population

Felix.

And how do these dots justify the millions of souls murdered in the concentration camps..?

Dirk Diggler 75

Murderin bstard springs to mind .........

Dirk Diggler 75

This ...

Dirk Diggler 75

How anyone can find this psychotic monster fascinating is beyond me .....

Martin2005

Blimey how much money did the Rothschild's have? Must of been an unbelievable amount to bankroll and reconstruct a country the size of Germany.

hodgy0_2

You've sort of answered your own question

Psychotic monsters are fascinating

stipete75

The Rothschild family is believed to have possessed the largest private fortune in the world as well as the largest private fortune in modern world history.
Money=power.

Martin2005

'Believed'?

hodgy0_2

And money = power

Amazing news

Lol next you'll be trying to tell us that a multi millionaire motorsports mogul, gets of a charge of improper payment by making an improper payment into a German court

Money = power, please please tell us something we don't know

Ant

i was just about to comment on this but you beat me to it, the bloke was an evil ******* and he's been portrayed how he should be.

hodgy0_2

The classic pro (or at least sympathetic) Hitler stance is that he, personally had no idea as to the extent of the concentration camps and mass slaughter, and somehow it was done without his direct knowledge

This is off course absolute rubbish, and debunked by every single serious historian in the world

kingofturds

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The more you look into ww2 the more you realise how complex the whole situation was. It's nowhere near as black and white as the history books would have you believe.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

The Treaty of Versailles ensured conflict in the future was inevitable.

ScoobyWon't

Neh, he was just misunderstood

hodgy0_2

Lol, we've gone full circle,


The quote attributed to Hitler in that video, "the Victor will never be asked if he told the truth"

the treaty of Versailles was a winners treaty, no conspiracy there

That's what happens if you win

Maz

iTrader: (34)

I feel the Treaty of Versailles was just a 20 year ceasefire. It benefitted the French whilst decimating Germany's power and infrastructure.

Quoted from the net below.
There is no reason in international law to distribute the territory of any nation among others after losing a war. The sole reason was that the German Empire, founded in 1871, changed the "Balance of Powers" as defined by the British Empire and therefore had to be destroyed. Therefore 800.000 German civilians had to die in 1919, 13% of its territory was distributed among others after WWI and 20% of the German population suddenly became "minorities" in other countries. The 1919 genocide, planned by Sir Winston Churchill, was not successful enough so he required a second attempt to finish them off - the air raids of WWII.
One of the texts below comes to the justified conclusion : The truth about Winston Churchill is that he was a menace to liberty, and a disaster for Britain, for Europe, for the United States of America, and for Western Civilization itself.