Another shining example of Islamic 'law' in the wonderful World we all live in
19 May 2014, 10:56 AM
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Another shining example of Islamic 'law' in the wonderful World we all live in
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...nged/37516.htm
Could you just imagine a Christian country sentencing to death a pregnant Muslim woman for apostasy in the 21st century? No me neither. Firstly there is no such thing as a Christian country (that I am aware of in terms of the country's courts and laws) and secondly no other religion teaches such outrageous beliefs and even worse makes it law. Thirdly if such a thing were to happen that country would be the next target for Islamic extremists. Yet it's all fine and dandy for their religion to carry out such acts.
Backward, barbaric and down right murderous doesn't even come close to these so called Islamic religious laws.
And Muslims wonder why there are so many people across the World who can't tolerate their religion.
It's all very well Muslims in the UK and other parts of the World saying it doesn't represent their faith but i'm afraid it quite clearly does (it just doesn't represent your personal views which is something completely different) and until such extremist laws are erradicated they will continue to do so.
Could you just imagine a Christian country sentencing to death a pregnant Muslim woman for apostasy in the 21st century? No me neither. Firstly there is no such thing as a Christian country (that I am aware of in terms of the country's courts and laws) and secondly no other religion teaches such outrageous beliefs and even worse makes it law. Thirdly if such a thing were to happen that country would be the next target for Islamic extremists. Yet it's all fine and dandy for their religion to carry out such acts.
Backward, barbaric and down right murderous doesn't even come close to these so called Islamic religious laws.
And Muslims wonder why there are so many people across the World who can't tolerate their religion.
It's all very well Muslims in the UK and other parts of the World saying it doesn't represent their faith but i'm afraid it quite clearly does (it just doesn't represent your personal views which is something completely different) and until such extremist laws are erradicated they will continue to do so.
19 May 2014, 11:12 AM
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Depends if you think the way that the Muslim faith is used by those in power in the Sudan is representative of the faith as whole.
Personally I don't.
Personally I don't.
19 May 2014, 11:14 AM
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That said let's not that fact get in the way of another good old SN generic anti ALL Muslims thread.... so crack on
19 May 2014, 11:18 AM
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Just another example of what is wrong with ALL religions, the most stupid being that they all basically believe the same thing and have spent hundreds of years killing each other because of this supposedly good thing.
Anyone who gets involved in religion and believes all that bollax deserves what ever comes their way.
This is 2014 how anyone can still believe there is some bloke in the sky that once upon a time waved his magic wand and made all of us is beyond me.
Just another example of what is wrong with ALL religions, the most stupid being that they all basically believe the same thing and have spent hundreds of years killing each other because of this supposedly good thing.
Anyone who gets involved in religion and believes all that bollax deserves what ever comes their way.
This is 2014 how anyone can still believe there is some bloke in the sky that once upon a time waved his magic wand and made all of us is beyond me.
19 May 2014, 11:25 AM
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Ok google is your friend.
Just another example of what is wrong with ALL religions, the most stupid being that they all basically believe the same thing and have spent hundreds of years killing each other because of this supposedly good thing.
Anyone who gets involved in religion and believes all that bollax deserves what ever comes their way.
This is 2014 how anyone can still believe there is some bloke in the sky that once upon a time waved his magic wand and made all of us is beyond me.
Just another example of what is wrong with ALL religions, the most stupid being that they all basically believe the same thing and have spent hundreds of years killing each other because of this supposedly good thing.
Anyone who gets involved in religion and believes all that bollax deserves what ever comes their way.
This is 2014 how anyone can still believe there is some bloke in the sky that once upon a time waved his magic wand and made all of us is beyond me.
You are right; all major religions have at their core the same basic ideas, love, compassion and forgiveness - pretty good stuff I'd say.
It's not religion that kills people, it's other people - religion is not to blame, people are
Also before we get all puffed-up about this appalling case; I bet the majority on here are in favour of bringing back captial punishment - which is very old testament
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http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...nged/37516.htm
And Muslims wonder why there are so many people across the World who can't tolerate their religion.
It's all very well Muslims in the UK and other parts of the World saying it doesn't represent their faith but i'm afraid it quite clearly does (it just doesn't represent your personal views which is something completely different) and until such extremist laws are erradicated they will continue to do so.
And Muslims wonder why there are so many people across the World who can't tolerate their religion.
It's all very well Muslims in the UK and other parts of the World saying it doesn't represent their faith but i'm afraid it quite clearly does (it just doesn't represent your personal views which is something completely different) and until such extremist laws are erradicated they will continue to do so.
I get what you are saying. Muslims that say that this incidence doesn't represent their faith need to initiate a hard core revolution against the ones that are misrepresenting their good faith. How about the main man from Mecca ordering these horrible 'law and order
' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it? I am proud of this woman for not recanting her faith under pressure, and instead she prefers to die.
Appalling beyond words!
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19 May 2014, 11:37 AM
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I get what you are saying. Muslims that say that this incidence doesn't represent their faith need to initiate a hard core revolution against the ones that are misrepresenting their good faith. How about the main man from Mecca ordering these horrible 'law and order ' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it?
I am proud of this woman for not recanting her faith under pressure, and instead she prefers to die.
Appalling beyond words!
' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it? I am proud of this woman for not recanting her faith under pressure, and instead she prefers to die.
Appalling beyond words!
I'm sure that the SN followers of Islam will have a much better take on this than me though (although I wouldn't blame them if they wanted to stay out of another SN classic debate on the rights and wrongs of their faith
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19 May 2014, 11:44 AM
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I think that this is one of the big problems (if that's the right word) with the Islamic faith, there is no 'head' or leader - therefore there it difficult to achieve a unified 'offical' doctrinal 21st century interpretation.
I'm sure that the SN followers of Islam will have a much better take on this than me though
I'm sure that the SN followers of Islam will have a much better take on this than me though
As we know, Muslims with faith generally do not lead their lives individualistically. Therefore, it shouldn't be that difficult for them to collectively nominate one good Muslim to be their spokesperson on the level of the global stage; not just on the British TV to minimise the risk of Islam defamation in this little country alone.
Come on, the world awaits! We've had enough!
19 May 2014, 11:47 AM
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Then good Muslims need to get together, and nominate a leader to represent genuine Islam.
As we know, Muslims with faith generally do not lead their lives individualistically. Therefore, it shouldn't be that difficult for them to collectively nominate one good Muslim to be their spokesperson on the level of the global stage; not just on the British TV to minimise the risk of Islam defamation in this little country alone.
Come on, the world awaits! We've had enough!
As we know, Muslims with faith generally do not lead their lives individualistically. Therefore, it shouldn't be that difficult for them to collectively nominate one good Muslim to be their spokesperson on the level of the global stage; not just on the British TV to minimise the risk of Islam defamation in this little country alone.
Come on, the world awaits! We've had enough!
19 May 2014, 11:53 AM
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But if good Muslims rise above the denseness here, perhaps they can join the discussion, support Allah's humane teachings with conviction and strongly oppose what's going on in Sudan.
19 May 2014, 12:00 PM
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I am quite serious, Martin.
As I say, words fail to describe how barbaric and irrational it is to punish that woman in any shape or form who has done nothing wrong but simply something what a normal human would do. Bleddy psychos!
19 May 2014, 12:04 PM
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just warring factions in a power play
19 May 2014, 12:18 PM
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This Wiki' page is worth a read if a meaningful debate is to be had.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
19 May 2014, 12:31 PM
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James, On this thread, I'm not concerned with discussing theology.
Not going to attend to the micro-elements of these religions and their blinded acceptance, but as you politely asked, my answer is that any religion that stands to scream for its superiority with the notion of their BEST airy fairy, man-made God over all other faiths falls in the category of the power players for me. The baseline is one: believe in mine, or believe in none. Irrational as f4ck, and worthless as a tuppen! All religions bullsh$t about their grandeur and superiority, and call other religions bullsh4t. Its all about power play. Making vulnerable people submit to certain religion is also a power play; a mind game. I'm afraid I'm not on for it.
You can prove Christianity to be better due to its tolerant stance, I can go on about Buddha and other 84, 000 air sculptures to be the greatest ones on this earth, but I don't. I'm not into power play.
On this thread, I'm fixated at the plight of that woman. I'm not interested in debating which one is better and which one is worse. I don't mind different faiths in the world as long as they don't attack the faith of humanity. You may say that that's what you are trying to say that contrary to humane Christianity, Islam is fundamentally barbaric! Well, as some good Muslims disagree, I want those good Muslims to shake this earth to oppose what has happened to those girls in Nigeria, and what's happening to this woman in Sudan.
Not going to attend to the micro-elements of these religions and their blinded acceptance, but as you politely asked, my answer is that any religion that stands to scream for its superiority with the notion of their BEST airy fairy, man-made God over all other faiths falls in the category of the power players for me. The baseline is one: believe in mine, or believe in none. Irrational as f4ck, and worthless as a tuppen! All religions bullsh$t about their grandeur and superiority, and call other religions bullsh4t. Its all about power play. Making vulnerable people submit to certain religion is also a power play; a mind game. I'm afraid I'm not on for it.
You can prove Christianity to be better due to its tolerant stance, I can go on about Buddha and other 84, 000 air sculptures to be the greatest ones on this earth, but I don't. I'm not into power play.
On this thread, I'm fixated at the plight of that woman. I'm not interested in debating which one is better and which one is worse. I don't mind different faiths in the world as long as they don't attack the faith of humanity. You may say that that's what you are trying to say that contrary to humane Christianity, Islam is fundamentally barbaric! Well, as some good Muslims disagree, I want those good Muslims to shake this earth to oppose what has happened to those girls in Nigeria, and what's happening to this woman in Sudan.
19 May 2014, 01:12 PM
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James, On this thread, I'm not concerned with discussing theology.
Not going to attend to the micro-elements of these religions and their blinded acceptance, but as you politely asked, my answer is that any religion that stands to scream for its superiority with the notion of their BEST airy fairy, man-made God over all other faiths falls in the category of the power players for me. The baseline is one: believe in mine, or believe in none. Irrational as f4ck, and worthless as a tuppen! All religions bullsh$t about their grandeur and superiority, and call other religions bullsh4t. Its all about power play. Making vulnerable people submit to certain religion is also a power play; a mind game. I'm afraid I'm not on for it.
You can prove Christianity to be better due to its tolerant stance, I can go on about Buddha and other 84, 000 air sculptures to be the greatest ones on this earth, but I don't. I'm not into power play.
On this thread, I'm fixated at the plight of that woman. I'm not interested in debating which one is better and which one is worse. I don't mind different faiths in the world as long as they don't attack the faith of humanity. You may say that that's what you are trying to say that contrary to humane Christianity, Islam is fundamentally barbaric! Well, as some good Muslims disagree, I want those good Muslims to shake this earth to oppose what has happened to those girls in Nigeria, and what's happening to this woman in Sudan.
Not going to attend to the micro-elements of these religions and their blinded acceptance, but as you politely asked, my answer is that any religion that stands to scream for its superiority with the notion of their BEST airy fairy, man-made God over all other faiths falls in the category of the power players for me. The baseline is one: believe in mine, or believe in none. Irrational as f4ck, and worthless as a tuppen! All religions bullsh$t about their grandeur and superiority, and call other religions bullsh4t. Its all about power play. Making vulnerable people submit to certain religion is also a power play; a mind game. I'm afraid I'm not on for it.
You can prove Christianity to be better due to its tolerant stance, I can go on about Buddha and other 84, 000 air sculptures to be the greatest ones on this earth, but I don't. I'm not into power play.
On this thread, I'm fixated at the plight of that woman. I'm not interested in debating which one is better and which one is worse. I don't mind different faiths in the world as long as they don't attack the faith of humanity. You may say that that's what you are trying to say that contrary to humane Christianity, Islam is fundamentally barbaric! Well, as some good Muslims disagree, I want those good Muslims to shake this earth to oppose what has happened to those girls in Nigeria, and what's happening to this woman in Sudan.
19 May 2014, 02:07 PM
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Anyway, back to much more urgent issue: The world awaits for the true Muslims to come forward and openly oppose current barbarian happenings on the name of their religion, and do something to stop them.
19 May 2014, 02:19 PM
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I get what you are saying. Muslims that say that this incidence doesn't represent their faith need to initiate a hard core revolution against the ones that are misrepresenting their good faith. How about the main man from Mecca ordering these horrible 'law and order ' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it?
I am proud of this woman for not recanting her faith under pressure, and instead she prefers to die.
Appalling beyond words!
' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it? I am proud of this woman for not recanting her faith under pressure, and instead she prefers to die.
Appalling beyond words!
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The problem with both Christians and Muslims is that they both think that one's God is wayyyyy better than the other one's and anyone's. I don't mind banging their heads together so hard that they come back to their senses forever, and never lose their marbles again.
Anyway, back to much more urgent issue: The world awaits for the true Muslims to come forward and openly oppose current barbarian happenings on the name of their religion, and do something to stop them.
Anyway, back to much more urgent issue: The world awaits for the true Muslims to come forward and openly oppose current barbarian happenings on the name of their religion, and do something to stop them.
19 May 2014, 02:22 PM
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It's all very well Muslims in the UK and other parts of the World saying it doesn't represent their faith but i'm afraid it quite clearly does (it just doesn't represent your personal views which is something completely different) and until such extremist laws are erradicated they will continue to do so.
19 May 2014, 02:27 PM
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I'll happily debate this with you, Shaid, but I'd ask that you try to be respectful. If you aren't I'll just turn the other cheek. 
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." (Muslim 1:33)
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Your go.
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." (Muslim 1:33)
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Your go.
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I get what you are saying. Muslims that say that this incidence doesn't represent their faith need to initiate a hard core revolution against the ones that are misrepresenting their good faith. How about the main man from Mecca ordering these horrible 'law and order ' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it?
' Sudanese psychopaths to do one, and make a declaration to the world that Allah would never want this woman to be punished for f4ck all? I mean, I am sure all 'real' Muslims including that top Mullah must be sick and tired of the defamation these baddies are causing to real Muslims and real Islam? Why do good and tolerant Muslims have such meek voice? Why do they simply come on TV to say that it's not really Islam, but do very little to change it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism
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I'll happily debate this with you, Shaid, but I'd ask that you try to be respectful. If you aren't I'll just turn the other cheek.
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." (Muslim 1:33)
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Your go.
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." (Muslim 1:33)
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)
Your go.
However if you really insist on the quotes game.... Anyone can find crap on anyone....
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Slavery Stuff
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
In short... don't even go there
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Sorry i can only be respectful towards a person i have respect for. You have previously beaten any respect i had for you out of me. Therefore i will have to pass on your offer.
However if you really insist on the quotes game.... Anyone can find crap on anyone....
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Slavery Stuff
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
In short... don't even go there
However if you really insist on the quotes game.... Anyone can find crap on anyone....
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Slavery Stuff
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
In short... don't even go there
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)
"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)