Wagon - GB270 or WRX?
20 February 2011, 08:46 PM
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Wagon - GB270 or WRX?
Hi Guys, I am looking for a replacement for my aging import MY96 STi wagon.
What are the basic differences between the WRX New Age cars and the GB270?
And is it worth spending a fair bit more on the GB, or is the WRX with a PPP too similar to not worry about?
Thanks
What are the basic differences between the WRX New Age cars and the GB270?
And is it worth spending a fair bit more on the GB, or is the WRX with a PPP too similar to not worry about?
Thanks
20 February 2011, 08:48 PM
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http://imwww.imgroup.co.uk/IMGGB/WWW...from_GB270.pdf
Press release for the GB270.
Up to you whether you want to pay extra, the GB's are holding better money than the regular WRX's.
Press release for the GB270.
Up to you whether you want to pay extra, the GB's are holding better money than the regular WRX's.
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20 February 2011, 09:00 PM
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Aaahhh, yes I've seen yours FS - very nice, and good colour. Surprised someone hasn't snapped that off you yet.
Long story short: I've owned lots of Scooby's over the last few years, and decided to try something totally different - so last month bought a Integra Type R.
When on full beans on an A or B it's nothing short of brilliant, and I have to say more involving as a driver's car than the Scooby, but...
It hasn't got grunt. It's not all the time you want to be thrashing the back end out of it, and if you're not on the revs etc... you get the picture
Long story short: I've owned lots of Scooby's over the last few years, and decided to try something totally different - so last month bought a Integra Type R.
When on full beans on an A or B it's nothing short of brilliant, and I have to say more involving as a driver's car than the Scooby, but...
It hasn't got grunt. It's not all the time you want to be thrashing the back end out of it, and if you're not on the revs etc... you get the picture
20 February 2011, 09:06 PM
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I know what your saying, I bought an EP3 Civic Type R when they had just come out in 2002 (well 2001 buy mine was an 02 by the time it had been built).
Good car but when your not in the mood the lack of torque could become annoying.
Good car but when your not in the mood the lack of torque could become annoying.
20 February 2011, 09:07 PM
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http://imwww.imgroup.co.uk/IMGGB/WWW...from_GB270.pdf
Press release for the GB270.
Up to you whether you want to pay extra, the GB's are holding better money than the regular WRX's.
Press release for the GB270.
Up to you whether you want to pay extra, the GB's are holding better money than the regular WRX's.
Is the suspension different? Also, can the engine be re-mapped?
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20 February 2011, 09:11 PM
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You get;
PPP
Features include a lowered spring kit, ‘quickshift’ gearchange, special carpet
mats, MOMO ‘Air-Race’ gear ****, larger-diameter 18x7.5ins GT1 alloy wheels and
GB270 exterior badging and individually numbered interior plaque.
Rear waist spoiler, front and rear aero splash guards, rear privacy glass, black stainless-steel mesh front grille and gloss-black alloy wheels.
Options are;
In addition, both models will be available with an optional ICE pack consisting of a Clarion
SatNav and iPod adaptor and Bluetooth ’phone kit for £1,750.
Other extra-cost upgrades include a GB270-branded leather or Alcantara/leather interior
for £1,400 or £1,600 respectively and privacy glass window tinting for the saloon at £405.
Its a WRX PPP, you can mod this with aftermarket parts to your hearts content if thats what you want.
PPP
Features include a lowered spring kit, ‘quickshift’ gearchange, special carpet
mats, MOMO ‘Air-Race’ gear ****, larger-diameter 18x7.5ins GT1 alloy wheels and
GB270 exterior badging and individually numbered interior plaque.
Rear waist spoiler, front and rear aero splash guards, rear privacy glass, black stainless-steel mesh front grille and gloss-black alloy wheels.
Options are;
In addition, both models will be available with an optional ICE pack consisting of a Clarion
SatNav and iPod adaptor and Bluetooth ’phone kit for £1,750.
Other extra-cost upgrades include a GB270-branded leather or Alcantara/leather interior
for £1,400 or £1,600 respectively and privacy glass window tinting for the saloon at £405.
Its a WRX PPP, you can mod this with aftermarket parts to your hearts content if thats what you want.
20 February 2011, 09:15 PM
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Is the Integra a DC2 or a DC5? Guessing DC2? Again to be expected, it was designed to be as light as possible with thinner glass and other things along those lines.
20 February 2011, 09:27 PM
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Yes, the chassis was beefed up and lots of other things to add all that weight. It's not that noticeable on the road though. I took my 03 JDM to Anglesey TD - the weight handicapped it there alright! Jeesz! All those pesky hatch's were all over me, and I had 370 BHP
Aren't most cars a compromise somewhere though?
20 February 2011, 09:50 PM
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True but as with any mods you tend to not see them £ wise on resale, if they are part of the "spec" from factory they usually raise the price maybe why the GB's are asking more money than comparable WRX's, likewise the RB320's hold good money over STI's.
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21 February 2011, 09:00 AM
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You ought to ask. They really are an eye opener. Main thing is their weight, or lack of. This translates to an extremely intuitive experience with almost everything being throttle controlled. My 70mile blast the other Sunday morning saw the brakes being used about 3 times only
21 February 2011, 09:08 AM
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So to be clear on the differences...
The GB has lowering springs. This is the only suspension change? No stiffening or thicker ARB's etc?
Engine - standard WRX engine with PPP fitted? Presumably this could easily be remapped safely to ~310
The GB has lowering springs. This is the only suspension change? No stiffening or thicker ARB's etc?
Engine - standard WRX engine with PPP fitted? Presumably this could easily be remapped safely to ~310
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21 February 2011, 09:33 AM
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Yea looks like its only different springs, i would of expected the Press Release to state otherwise if it was different.
To be honest, and i'm not just saying this by owning one, the ride quality is really very very good, i'm sure other GB owners would agree. It isnt that hard where by you are shaken to pieces on our wonderfully well kept public highway but hard enough to make a difference over the stock setup, it strikes a nice balance IMO at least.
Correct on the engine front, WRX with PPP. I'm not really interested in the remapping, standard is fine for me but i believe the turbo is probably good for 300bhp tops with an aftermarket remap, maybe a bit less but its area under the graph that counts not peak power (as i'm sure you are aware with the Integra!).
I think with most manufacturers special editions they tend to be mildly tweaked over standard, once you start going to the more heavily tweaked vehicles the price invariably shoots up considerably eg Impreza Cosworth
To be honest, and i'm not just saying this by owning one, the ride quality is really very very good, i'm sure other GB owners would agree. It isnt that hard where by you are shaken to pieces on our wonderfully well kept public highway but hard enough to make a difference over the stock setup, it strikes a nice balance IMO at least.
Correct on the engine front, WRX with PPP. I'm not really interested in the remapping, standard is fine for me but i believe the turbo is probably good for 300bhp tops with an aftermarket remap, maybe a bit less but its area under the graph that counts not peak power (as i'm sure you are aware with the Integra!).
I think with most manufacturers special editions they tend to be mildly tweaked over standard, once you start going to the more heavily tweaked vehicles the price invariably shoots up considerably eg Impreza Cosworth
21 February 2011, 01:05 PM
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Yea looks like its only different springs, i would of expected the Press Release to state otherwise if it was different.
To be honest, and i'm not just saying this because I'm selling one, the ride quality is really very very good, i'm sure other GB owners would agree. It isnt that hard where by you are shaken to pieces on our wonderfully well kept public highway but hard enough to make a difference over the stock setup, it strikes a nice balance IMO at least.
Correct on the engine front, WRX with PPP. I'm not really interested in the remapping, standard is fine for me but i believe the turbo is probably good for 300bhp tops with an aftermarket remap, maybe a bit less but its area under the graph that counts not peak power (as i'm sure you are aware with the Integra!).
I think with most manufacturers special editions they tend to be mildly tweaked over standard, once you start going to the more heavily tweaked vehicles the price invariably shoots up considerably eg Impreza Cosworth
To be honest, and i'm not just saying this because I'm selling one, the ride quality is really very very good, i'm sure other GB owners would agree. It isnt that hard where by you are shaken to pieces on our wonderfully well kept public highway but hard enough to make a difference over the stock setup, it strikes a nice balance IMO at least.
Correct on the engine front, WRX with PPP. I'm not really interested in the remapping, standard is fine for me but i believe the turbo is probably good for 300bhp tops with an aftermarket remap, maybe a bit less but its area under the graph that counts not peak power (as i'm sure you are aware with the Integra!).
I think with most manufacturers special editions they tend to be mildly tweaked over standard, once you start going to the more heavily tweaked vehicles the price invariably shoots up considerably eg Impreza Cosworth
There was a bug eye Sti Wagon, but they are rare
21 February 2011, 05:31 PM
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I could not find a GB270 wagon for love nor money when looking for my wagon, had no choice but get the WRX in the end, knew I would be modding it anyway so not as much of a big deal. I actually prefer the toned down look of the WRX, havnt even got the scoop on mine now.
21 February 2011, 08:18 PM
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I could not find a GB270 wagon for love nor money when looking for my wagon, had no choice but get the WRX in the end, knew I would be modding it anyway so not as much of a big deal. I actually prefer the toned down look of the WRX, havnt even got the scoop on mine now.
The overall look of the GB270 I do really like though, but it does seem alot of extra money over and above the WRX
I too would go for ARB's (pretty much a must) like you have, and would start by sourcing a WRX with a PPP
Of course, if I wasn't looking for a Wagon, life would be so much simpler
Got a pic?
21 February 2011, 08:37 PM
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Reduced the price of my GB now, i've had a half decent offer from a main dealer that i'll likely be taking up if it doesnt sell in the next day or so.
21 February 2011, 11:47 PM
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The main attraction of the GB for me would be the wheels, it's hard to find 18" wheels that fit a lowered wagon properly, because of the lack of wing blisters. You need a wheel with an offset of 52 or so, not that many around and the offset isn't normally advertised. The quickshift can be easily replicated with a third party stick, although not as well engineered a solution as the prodrive full linkage. Similarly the lowering springs. I find the aero add ons on the GB a bit garish to be honest. I got a hawkeye WRX with the PPP (I also wanted a fast car that could carry a dog!), and found the PPP a bit underwhelming - the power wasn't that great, and it fell off quite quickly after 5000 rpm. I got a powerstation upgrade - full 3" sports cat exhaust, panel filter, and ecutek map, which got to 290bhp, which is about the max the turbo is capable of, but with much better power delivery. The PPP exhaust is a bit more restrictive so would give less on a remap I think. I've also had powerstation's stage 2 handling kit - lowering springs, stiffer ARBs, an ALK, and a full four wheel alignment, of which the springs are the least important contributor to improved handling. A quickshift from revolution, a lip splitter and rear diffuser from HT Autos, and a brake upgrade from Godspeed and I think I ended up with a better car than the unmodified GB. Still on 17" wheels though! Really, it all depends on how much the price difference is between a WRX and a GB, and how much you could do to the WRX with that money.
21 February 2011, 11:50 PM
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What do you get for the extra though?
Is the suspension different? Also, can the engine be re-mapped?
Is the suspension different? Also, can the engine be re-mapped?
22 February 2011, 06:12 AM
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I was going to say about the bugeue sti wagon, there's one for sale on here currently.
I guess most people hate the bugeye though, so depends on your view of that. I love the look of mine and think the sti looks better with the darker headlamps.
They are a big step up in all respects to a 96 sti (apart from looks if they aren't your thing). The performance of mine is really very good, it's petty much standard but it really flies with the AVCS helping things along. When I bought it the performance wasn't brilliant but I found a faulty NPS and that cured that. It really is very impressive, the gearbox, handling, and performance I love. My previous impreza was a 2.5 converted type r so I'm not just bigging it up coming from a fiesta. The beauty of these cars is the engine has some decent internals and if you want to mod they're great. A few mods will see you to near on 400bhp, or a remap with exh and filter will see you around 330bhp.
Here's mine.
And a brief spell it had on different rims..
I guess most people hate the bugeye though, so depends on your view of that. I love the look of mine and think the sti looks better with the darker headlamps.
They are a big step up in all respects to a 96 sti (apart from looks if they aren't your thing). The performance of mine is really very good, it's petty much standard but it really flies with the AVCS helping things along. When I bought it the performance wasn't brilliant but I found a faulty NPS and that cured that. It really is very impressive, the gearbox, handling, and performance I love. My previous impreza was a 2.5 converted type r so I'm not just bigging it up coming from a fiesta. The beauty of these cars is the engine has some decent internals and if you want to mod they're great. A few mods will see you to near on 400bhp, or a remap with exh and filter will see you around 330bhp.
Here's mine.
And a brief spell it had on different rims..
22 February 2011, 11:06 AM
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The main attraction of the GB for me would be the wheels, it's hard to find 18" wheels that fit a lowered wagon properly, because of the lack of wing blisters. You need a wheel with an offset of 52 or so, not that many around and the offset isn't normally advertised. The quickshift can be easily replicated with a third party stick, although not as well engineered a solution as the prodrive full linkage. Similarly the lowering springs. I find the aero add ons on the GB a bit garish to be honest. I got a hawkeye WRX with the PPP (I also wanted a fast car that could carry a dog!), and found the PPP a bit underwhelming - the power wasn't that great, and it fell off quite quickly after 5000 rpm. I got a powerstation upgrade - full 3" sports cat exhaust, panel filter, and ecutek map, which got to 290bhp, which is about the max the turbo is capable of, but with much better power delivery. The PPP exhaust is a bit more restrictive so would give less on a remap I think. I've also had powerstation's stage 2 handling kit - lowering springs, stiffer ARBs, an ALK, and a full four wheel alignment, of which the springs are the least important contributor to improved handling. A quickshift from revolution, a lip splitter and rear diffuser from HT Autos, and a brake upgrade from Godspeed and I think I ended up with a better car than the unmodified GB. Still on 17" wheels though! Really, it all depends on how much the price difference is between a WRX and a GB, and how much you could do to the WRX with that money.
)The suspension work you've looks spot on too. I went through an excellent learning stage with a JDM a couple of years back. It had been lowered with Eibacks - and that was it. If you were on completely smooth tarmac it handled fine, but show it anything else and it was terrible. Here's a good reading thread on what I did with it
The Powerstation upgrade sounds just the job, and better than the PPP. My current wagon is 280 or perhaps a little more, but is 200Kg's lighter than a new age, so the extra from the Powerstation would mitigate somewhat
22 February 2011, 11:09 AM
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I was going to say about the bugeue sti wagon, there's one for sale on here currently.
I guess most people hate the bugeye though, so depends on your view of that. I love the look of mine and think the sti looks better with the darker headlamps.
They are a big step up in all respects to a 96 sti (apart from looks if they aren't your thing). The performance of mine is really very good, it's petty much standard but it really flies with the AVCS helping things along. When I bought it the performance wasn't brilliant but I found a faulty NPS and that cured that. It really is very impressive, the gearbox, handling, and performance I love. My previous impreza was a 2.5 converted type r so I'm not just bigging it up coming from a fiesta. The beauty of these cars is the engine has some decent internals and if you want to mod they're great. A few mods will see you to near on 400bhp, or a remap with exh and filter will see you around 330bhp.
I guess most people hate the bugeye though, so depends on your view of that. I love the look of mine and think the sti looks better with the darker headlamps.
They are a big step up in all respects to a 96 sti (apart from looks if they aren't your thing). The performance of mine is really very good, it's petty much standard but it really flies with the AVCS helping things along. When I bought it the performance wasn't brilliant but I found a faulty NPS and that cured that. It really is very impressive, the gearbox, handling, and performance I love. My previous impreza was a 2.5 converted type r so I'm not just bigging it up coming from a fiesta. The beauty of these cars is the engine has some decent internals and if you want to mod they're great. A few mods will see you to near on 400bhp, or a remap with exh and filter will see you around 330bhp.
Yes, it's really an Sti I'm after. How long did it take to find yours?
What is AVCS?
22 February 2011, 04:33 PM
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And about AVCS,what i know in my understanding that AVCS was designed to help the bottom and middle end of the powerband, and by the higher rpms you're 100% "on the cam."
Jura