ScoobyDoo69

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Hey guys,

Looking for an opinion on the following.

What would be better for power?
Cost ?
Storage ?
Ease of use / refilling etc.

I'm leaning towards the NF as the bottles are small, and easy to carry in the car - easy to fill when out and about. But the cost is quite a bit more than meth? I don't know which makes more power to be honest. I don't at this time have a switchable mapping ECU, so whenever I fill up it will have to be with the meth/NF.

So opinions please?
Thanks

ScoobyDoo69

Shaun

If your prime concern is power, then VPower + Meth will give you far far better potential than VPower + NF.

Stevesbluewrx

iTrader: (4)

+1

I used to use NF + Vpower. Trouble is it cost too much to use NF all the time. I used to get 30 bottle (500ml each) @ £300.
Also your be suprised how much NF makes a mess of your plugs etc.

It's good stuff don't get me wrong as I used to use 150ml per tank.

I've now switched to 5 ltrs of Meth to a tank of VPower and the cost works out cheaper and the power gains are massive.

Steve

Steve

RA Dunk

Question is, if you only have one map do you realise how much of a PITA this is going to be every time you fill up?

Not only a case of filling up you will need a steady supply of methanol or your car will be sat in the driveway being undriveable due to not having the correct fuel for it.

ScoobyDoo69

iTrader: (17)

That's not of massive concern to me to be honest Dunk as its a second car anyways.

RA Dunk

Go for it then

DaveBeck

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+ 2 for the gimp

I used NF and found the gains where not worth it. Its good as a octane booster for track to add added protection but i would go meth or E85 if you have a local morrisons that has it on tap

ScoobyDoo69

iTrader: (17)

So comparatively speaking, if mapped for say 3ml of NF per Litre of V-power, what would be the equiv in meth? 5l to a tank equals what, 12%? Would this give better or worse than 3ml per litre of NF?

G.Mac

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I used to run 10% ish of methanol, great stuff and managed to get 370bhp out of a VF35 on a 2005 sti.

As for carrying it about I used to use Clearly Marked plastic lemonade bottles.
1 bottle of Meth to 20L of fuel.
After a bit of trial and error I found the bottles you get from Lidles (that freeway stuff) had the best shaped neck as it is more bullit shaped so futs in the filler a lot easier (tried a 2L bottle that was used for barrs Irn Bru and ended spilling hafl the meth over my feet)
I used the same bottles for over a year without any leakage issues.

Ps, If Meth does go on fire water puts it out easily btw!

Graeme

ScoobyDoo69

iTrader: (17)

That makes sense. Sounds like quite the power increase also! Maybe meth is the way forward.. works out cheaper than V-Power too

Jolly Green Monster

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agreed meth..

Austrian Impreza

iTrader: (9)

Why does NF make the plugs look bad?

trevsjwood

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For info, Morrisons are stopping sales of E85 after stocks are used up-this from the horses mouth
Trev

The Stitcher

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you can buy e85 online but more expensive than morrisons but its better e85

Turbotits

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Point me to where it can be bought online please? Think im going to be switching to methonal anyway as i also here Morisons are stopping it. Just need to get jgm to do a map tweek i guess

banny sti

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You can buy it from here:

http://www.aaoil.co.uk/racing-R-E85-racing

Banny

Turbotits

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cool thanks lol but at that price im switching to meth lol

TingTongPJ

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i'm having a meth map tomorrow and a tweak (by simon jgm) really interested to see what the difference is going to be to my normal v power one.

i purchased mine from a company here in manchester and was £17.75 for 25l which worked out much cheaper than jenny chem when including delivery.

Turbotits

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cool do you have that company name?

stealthy55

whats the situation regarding meth or e85 and long term storage? does it go "off"?

RA Dunk

AFAIK no, it does not.

I hope not anyway, I've had about 50 litres of it stored in my shed for the last two years.

DaveBeck

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I sent an email regarding Morrisons stopping E85. They replied saying they werent so not sure where its all coming from?

Ian

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when i use meth, i use 5L petrol containers with a push down security cap to be on the safe side

trevsjwood

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My e-mail came from Morrisons customer service after I asked the question.
They said due to the duty benifit of 20p litre on renewable fuels being removed in the march budget which resulted in a price increase at the pumps for E85 of 17p litre, they felt customers would not pay this and had no alternative but to stop supplies. They went on to say the price would remain as before for the fuel in stock but then it would cease.
Prehaps the Libdems are getting the benifit put back on.
Trev

Stevesbluewrx

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Got to be honest one of my worst fears when Simon (JGM) suggested Meth to me was storage and fire etc.

I have two children so was really worried about the storage side of things . But I have now got a lock cupboard for the Meth drums and the cans I use for it so it's keep nice a cool too. I even purchase a thermometer for the outside of the cupboard so I know how hot it is getting too. Just keep it out of direct sunlight.

The only issue is pumping the Meth out of the the barrel into the 5ltr can as it can be a little messy if you have a hand pump like I do. REMEMBER TO WEAR GLOVES!! When it goes on your hand even when removing the pipes to the pump it is VERY,VERY COLD.

The boiling point of the Meth is very high in terms of flash point. Just have a Fire Extinguisher to hand if your that worried.

I've heard of Meth going off too. But how true it is I don't know. Only thing I can think of is people who have mixed the fuel in with the meth already and leave it for some time meaning the Petrol has lost part of it's RON? Could be wrong?

Steve

trevsjwood

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I de-canter into 25litre from the 200litre and then from 25 litre into my 5litre can to take to the pumps. It's more movements but it 's easier to manage. I always use gloves and work in an airey place

DaveBeck

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Cheers for reply Trev when did you email them? I was about 1 month ago as was getting car mapped on it

if what you say turns out to be true (not saying your lying ) then it means i will need another tweak on my second map

Jolly Green Monster

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if considering cost.. you need to be aware that depending on ecu you will use more fuel when running meth as the stoich point is different to petrol. So although cheaper the mpg does drop a little.

Simon

Jolly Green Monster

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if considering cost.. you need to be aware that depending on ecu you will use more fuel when running meth as the stoich point is different to petrol. So although cheaper the mpg does drop a little.

Simon

Stevesbluewrx

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Now you tell me. I thought it was due to the mapper?



Steve