i have some oe ported headers and uppipe,was thinking of fitting them to my uk 99 turbo myself,anyone tried this? ive heard its supposed to be a t**t of a job? any views would be great.i am pretty handy with spanners but dont want to take on the job if it is a nightmare without proper ramps etc.

 

b**ch of a job :P

not to bad just take your time and remember where everything goes back

darc

 

why is it a b**ch of a job? shearing studs,etc? whats the issues?

 

Easy one dude took me an hour in the snow last week first time changing em just use plenty of penetrating oil - if you wanna be doubly sure soak the studs the say before hth

 

the up-pipe is harder to do as you have to try and manoeuver(sp) through a small gap. a lot of people lift the engine slightly on the turbo side. manifold is quite easy, just depending how easily you can work under the engine bay.

steve

 

yeah,it will just be the front end up on car ramps,doing everything from lying on the tarmac,im assuming the uppipe does come off the car without having to lift engine as i have no lifting gear,so it must go back on without lifting?the turbo wont have to be removed will it? is it a matter of literally changing the whole lot over without having to dismantle the car?

 

did full exhust with 1 trolley jack and im siht with tools make sure u get uppipe to headers tight b4 turbo and block, mine liked to blow there

dont forget the heatwrap

 

not using heat wrap,just the oe heat shields.would the uppipe be fitted before the manifolds yeah? why would any of it leak if its all done up tight and with gasket sealant?should all fit spot on shouldnt it as its all original equiptment (just ported) im not using aftermarket headers or uppipe.

 

Seems a shame not to seize this perfect opportunity (whilst they're off!) to fit some proper DEI heatwrap - better with 'em wrapped than not!

Whilst you're in there, might be a good idea to consider wrapping your plugs too - give 'em each a nice little snood LOL

 

u just keep popping up joz! im only looking to raise power from 300 to 330 ish,cant really see the benefits of the heat wrap to be honest.are the oe heat shields not good enough? thats a good point joz,dont spose u know when my plugs are due do u?

 

Wrapping the headers, up-pipe (and downpipe if you can be bothered) obviously keeps the heat in more, and thus aids gas speed, therefore aids turbo spool by about 150-200rpm, I'm led to believe. I'd say that was worth it, wouldn't you?

It's not all about max power, but moreso helping in increasing torque/spool too - it's this that matters on the road...

 

there is something else torque can do .............f*** your standard 5 speed! do u know how much the dei heat wrap is? enough to do headers and uppipe?where would u buy it?

 

Yes, got a quote from API... I'll just check and get back to you...

 

Previous point remains. You'll get better heat retention through them with wrap than by preserving the OE shields. A wrapped up-pipe is a lot easier to fit than a shielded one too. On the basis that it's better to do the job once than twice, wrapping is good.

[quite]would the uppipe be fitted before the manifolds yeah?[/quote]

Yeah, unlikely to go on (and if it does, will be a much bigger pest to fit) the other way round.

Because the mating faces of your cheaply mass-produced and hot-running components are often not perfectly flat, and because the flexi-jointed up-pipe and link pipes, tend to be a bit "small" and as a result will tend to twist things out of square if you tighten the bolts in the wrong order.

You are better off not using gasket sealant at all. It shouldn't be necessary with new genuine Subaru gaskets, and if you do, there's a risk of any excess extruded into the exhaust system being deposited into the turbine, which doesn't exactly do it much good.

 

One roll of the best DEI stuff is £65.80.

If you pay a specialsist to apply it at a labour rate of about c£50+/h then allow around 1.5hrs to do headers/uppipe/downpipe, at around £75-90...

ALL prices INC. VAT

 

something to consider,i defo wont be doing downpipe as its already fitted! its all bloody money!

 

Yeah, unlikely to go on (and if it does, will be a much bigger pest to fit) the other way round.


Because the mating faces of your cheaply mass-produced and hot-running components are often not perfectly flat, and because the flexi-jointed up-pipe and link pipes, tend to be a bit "small" and as a result will tend to twist things out of square if you tighten the bolts in the wrong order.

You are better off not using gasket sealant at all. It shouldn't be necessary with new genuine Subaru gaskets, and if you do, there's a risk of any excess extruded into the exhaust system being deposited into the turbine, which doesn't exactly do it much good.[/QUOTE]

the up pipe isnt flexi is it?,thought that was a solid pipe?

 

If it wasn't flexi-jointed, I wouldn't have said it was just now.

 

I think this is an OEM one... sans heatshields obviously

 

nice one mate,thankyou.just had a look at the headers and seriously considering heat wrapping now as the heat shield are massive and awkward.,would u recommend dei heat wrap and all new subaru gaskets? cant the old gaskets be reused?obviously i dont want to just waste money on gaskets if i dont need them,but im all 4 doing it once and properly!how much in length roughly would be required to heat wrap the headers and up pipe?

 

i can see the light thanks joz

 

If you do it, you'll find what you're left with is a hell of a lot smaller and easier to manage and fit. If you're wrapping you can grind off the shield mounting lugs from the cast parts, as well as that stamped "spacer" below the flexi-joint in the picture Joz posted.

Definite yes to the gaskets. DEI wrap is good, but they're not the only gig in town.

You can try it, but, especially if you're using gaskets currently on your car with a different set of manifolds, it's much more likely they'd leak. It's worth fitting genuine Subaru gaskets too - I've seen some third party parts that were next to useless, too thin (thereby exacerbating fit problems) and would have next to no leak prevention properties.

At a very rough guess, I think I bought 20m of 2 inch tape last set I did, and had about a third, or quarter of that left over.

 

If you're gonna consider the heatwrap, then why can't you stretch (pardon the pun) to the the headers and up-pipe gaskets, too?! Is it really worth NOT getting them only to find, after fitting it all back together, that your old ones are blowing?!

I think you really would be going to yourself, if they did...

Do it right; do it ONCE, is the maxim.

 

Splitpin, what other wrap would you recommend

 

dont get me wrong joz,im all 4 buying new genuine gaskets IF they ARE required.

 

20 mtrs?? well if i go for dei that should only set me back around £3250 then thanks for all your info splitpin,dont want to big u up 2 much but u r the master! what other wrap is good?

 

The ones touted on any housing estate street corner.

 

Phone this lot tomorrow:

Cheshire Ribbon | Manufacturers of Industrial Textiles for Insulation, Thermal Protection and High Performance Applications | Glass, Basalt, Silica and Ceramic Textiles - Bespoke Fabrication North West

I'm sure they sell exhaust tape via eBay but don't remember their seller name, so give them a buzz and ask. I've used theirs myself, it's good.

 

not sure im with u

 

Sorry, rubbish joke... "wraps". With me?