George_goring0913

hi, ive got a mate who is hoping to but a litchfield type 25 scooby and was wondering what you guys thought of them???
I dont no much about them and he doesn't want to buy a trouble maker.
Any thought wellcome.................

Shaun

Depends which one it is, whilst the MK1 is good the MKII is much better.

Tidgy

there a good car, no doubt about it, but i wonder what would happen if you get a tuner to mod one for you how it would pan out cost wise comparitivly

phil_wrx

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it isnt just a "tuned" impreza its a whole package

Tidgy

suspension, engine, brakes and some stickers, have a missed anything?

call it a whole package if you like, but all the parts can be had off the shelf at alot of tuners

daijones

Well, powerstation put together the package with litchfield; they'll also sell the various components off the shelf, so you can replicate the package. I doubt there'd be any saving though - more like an additional cost. Taking new prices and the mark 2 T25 cos the info's easy to hand, an 06/07 spec C will cost £28k; the Cosworth engine runs at about £13000 with fitting; the standard T25 suspension is about £1700 including fitting; then there's exhaust etc. A new type 25 will cost £35k.

Tidgy

13000 is very expensive for that kinda power,

you can get an off the shelf engine with roughly 450bhp for 9k, £1600 for the suspension + associated handeling parts.

if you needed a clutch £800 or a whole ppg gear setup, clutch and engine for £12k.

you can barter the price of the spec c down no problem, where as doubt you can the type 25.

im not saying its a crap car by any stretch, all im saying is there are other options, with similar costs that tend to get same if not better results

Shaun

Tidgy,
At the end of the day it does not matter what you can get done else where, cheaper, it will not be a Type25..... which is the whole point.

As regards to a 450bhp engine for £9k..... you do the breakdown of EXACTLY what that includes and then I will do it for the Cosworth install. Like for like I bet you will not find a massive difference...... remember everything on the Cosworth Tall engine is NEW.

Tidgy

5 letters, sc450,

ej257 (runs off to get sepc)
scoobyclinic uprated pistons
scoobyclinic uprated rods
scoobyclinic uprated bearings
mod'd oil pump
sc450 turbo
uprated fuel pump
uprated fuel reg
autronics ecu

including all fitting and mapping, but as with the cosworth build add vat

the development engine, in the gaffers 22b, (now either 3 or 4 years old, cant remember exactly) ran in scoobyshootout last year and was about .8 off the gobstoppers time, complete with all interior bar back seats, sub, amp, smell of dog and hotel california balsting out due to the driver not knowing how to turn the radio off lol.

also same spec engine has been used in time attack and other comps

http://www.scoobyclinic.com/download/BanzaiSept2007.pdf

there was a cracking write up of shootout with regards to the car, but not sur where it is now.

supose should add that just because it has a type 25 badge on it doesn't make it any more apealing to me. while i can apreciate the car for what it is, i'd prefer other options

trainer

The type 25 is a crackin car mate big power and it comes with a Warranty if you,ve got the dosh go with the Cosworth ,Porsche 6 pots and AST Suspension i,d ask for EXE-TC Suspension thats just my choice

Shaun

Tidgy,
For starters the Cosworth build is based on and includes new VVT ported and built heads. Like I said, like for like the prices (find out how much it costs for a set of new VVT heads with the level of porting done on the Cossie ones) I bet they are not worlds apart. I bet the porting would cost at least £1k. Of course, if the SC price includes new heads then I stand corrected in part.

I accept that a Type25 badge may not make it more appealing to you, but then on the flip side you have to appreciate that to others it does.

Tidgy

does it matter how it achieves the figures? but i believe it does come whith heads (although not entirely sure), dirve in drive out basis as far as im aware.

with cosworth parts you pay extra for the name, can be identicle parts yet you pay more, everyone knows its true. look at brake disks, theres about 4 or 5 differet brands that come off the same production lline with a different stamp yet the price varies all over.

as i've said each time, im not trying to take anything away from it, its a great car, but its not the cheapest way to get to where it goes.

banny sti

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Personally I would not want a cosworth short block in my car!

Banny

Shaun

Tidgy,
I'm fairly sure it is drive in drive out, using your existing heads..... again, I could be wrong. The only point of that remark was to look at it in true comparison.

Banny,
Why.... because it is using OE casing and cylinders?

banny sti

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Yes and seeing a split liner on one.

Banny

Shaun

never known of any litchfield prepared engines to split liners and includes their race car, which was running over 600.

corradoboy

If the choice was a T25 or SC450 I'd take a T25. If there was only an SC450 on the table I'd keep my Skoda. Too many mates with too many bad stories for me to go near SC again I'm afraid. Many will jump up and down defending them to the hilt, but they aren't for me. If I was tuning my own I'd consider RE Motorsport, Tracktive Solution/Carnetix, and Powerstation.

MartynJ

Me either Shaun, I have never had a Cosworth short motor split a liner either, come to that I have never had a split liner full stop.

Shaun

corradoboy,
Perhaps we should not turn this thread in to *that* kind of thread.

banny sti

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Check with Ian regarding the car, with reg plate T** LCH in crystal grey.

Banny

Shaun

I have no idea of the details but if the engine has been detting it can cause the liner to be erroded away at the top. Regardless of block, this would not be good for any engine. I have indeed seen a block where det has caused the liner to be eaten away, which has made it weak and caused it to crack, but I have not known of a Cosworth block to split where it has been down to natural integrity without other avoidable issues causing it. Having no det would be a good starting point.

When mine is cracked apart next week and if it is found that only the headgaskets have gone (which is the diagnosis at this stage), then I think the block integrity point is perhaps not as valid. Whilst I have seen DET a couple of times (I monitor this) it has always been quickly rectified.

I am not the only person that has ran 500+ hard on a semi open deck block with standard cylinders.... only time will tell, but the issue of DET causing cylinder problems seems to be one of the keys.

Tidgy

your wrong, possed the question myself cos wasn't sure lol

yeah i full understand, thats what im comparing, a 420bhp engine to a 450bhp engine, with the latter being about 4 grand cheaper, which is where it makes no sence finantialy

Shaun

Tidgy,
If that is correct than I stand corrected, as it is not that clear from the advert.