Anyone done this and more importantly, anyone done it and managed to retain the aircon?

Interested to see you pics and any issues you found along the way?

Im looking into how much work it is to do. Ive asked the guys in the US the same question but its always nice to see if anyone has done it in the UK or if i would be the first.

(Which i highly doubt)

look out for "oldfella" ........he has / had a rotated setup on his bugeye IIRC the aircon went though !!

Shaun

Im quite partial to my aircon in the summer, so it would be nice to keep it

have always wondered what advantage is there from rotating the inlet?

Frayz, assuming you are going ahead with this, will you do a project thread on it, would be very keen to watch that.

Shorter FMIC piping = less lag

i'm new to the whole turbo setup etc, but if i take away my tmic and fit a fmic will that cause more lag coz the front mount will be longer piping?

why bother ??? I have never tried it as I don't want to loose my aircon. The gains are very minimal !!! I'm sure people do it as an extreme measure then think why did I bother ???

It means replacing all your APS pipework. Why not just add a bigger rotated turbo ???

Lag is totally different when your talking rotated systems

Ahh, whys that?

On a bigger turbo your are going to have lag but once it comes in If you go for a really big garret I doubt you would see full boost till say nearly 5000rpm but once it did come on boost it would probably make mine seem like walking

I would think a gt35r would say make full boost on frayz's car by about 3800rpm and be running out of puff by 7000rpm

Here's a pic of the RCMS Gobstopper



Air is pretty elastic and there's still a lot of it about

I have methanol / aquamist injection.......there are lots more interesting ways to break things before going for a rotated setup LOL

Shaun

On a 2ltr

I have driven a car with a td05 turbo mapped to 1.6bar peaking at 1.8/9bar, a 20g turbo mapped to 1.5bar peaking at 1.6bar. I have had a twin scroll turbo car with hyrbrid twin scroll turbo running 1.8bar peaking at 1.9bar and all these so called fast cars are very very slow as compared to a gt30r running 1.7bar As lag all depends on your gear You get in a proper power car and you don't care about lag as it's very easy to drop a gear and stay on boost

I'm sure steven darley can comment on how slow my hybrid twin scroll turbo was as compared to a proper rotated system

Lag is goverened by the turbo making boost... its the boost response that should be better with a rotated manifold setup.

Im sure the difference is quite small but id does make foir a much cleaner engine bay with shorter pipe runs.

Why would i want bigger than a GT30 if i want as minimal lag as possible Steve? lol

Must admit the engine bay does look a lot neater though

Shaun

Frayz, from previous posts of yours, it sounds like you will be going blow through on the stock ECU (which will reduce the "lag effect" from the rich spike on tip in anyway). Do you think you will even be able to notice the effect of the shorter pipe run? Interested to know how much of a difference it really makes at the end of the day.

Here is a photo of my set up. Not finished yet but hopefully will be soon

Jac

have a talk to richard at tracktive solutions their cars always run with the modzs your after and last herd they were in talks with a supplier as they after a higher quality finish which iam sure youd be after lol

A few here for you

Going for 450 BHP

As they say Lag is just foreplay - if your in the right gear before you accelerate its not noticed

Yer *** on Frayz, we want a project thread on your engine build.

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Last year my GT35 rotated subi went from 60-80 in 1.038 seconds and 50-90 in 2.287 seconds. pasengers never see to mention lag - not sure why

I Reversed my inlet last year. I'm now building a new car and am not going to bother. It was loads of hassle and not worth the minimal gains.

I also hated not having aircon.

Here's how mine looked last year.

I think it can be done and retain the aircon guys.. as for a project thread... i already have one.. its just in members gallery lol

I will be going blow-thru mate... i dont honestly know how much difference it will make but whist im doing the rest of it... i might aswell look at doing this too lol

I suppose any excuse to post this photo I took of the Prodrive P2



Not sure about the air con though.

The Tracktive demo car is now back on the standard inlet and was running this at ScoobyLive this year.

I think having spoken to most people who have done it, its only really going to give the motor a clean look and nothing more performance wise.

Got to weigh up if its worth the agro doing it.

Here you go Frayz....







I was contemplating this route at one point, but my main concern as I was going blow through was being able to contain a straight section before the MAF element, hence why I did what I did...

The difference between draw through MAF and blow through is like chalk and cheese...

Yeah, ive had the same thoughts Neil. I think it can be done but after talking alot to the US guys that seem to do it alot. It seems the actual gain from doing it is so small compared to the huge amount of agro it takes making it all fit and work nice.