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all better now thanks very much, my car was stood for over a month, and i never started it either. i took off the battery for an hour and took the plugs out to let the cylinders dry a little, cleaned the plugs again and put it all back together, it started straight away, one thing that was different when i put the battery back on something clicked very loudly near the middle of the fire wall, so im guessing it reset its self or something. hows your car doing anyway, still shinney under the bonnet?