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Would it be safe to fit an Apexi power fc to my car that had been mapped for similar mods? As i understand the base map is purely just to get you to the rollers.
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Best speak to Zen performance (www.zenperformance.co.uk) or Simon Roe (www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk) or Andy F (www.andyforrestperformance.co.uk)
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The mods basically both fitted with induction kits, mine with a HKS Super power flow, The other guy an apexi induction kit , Both running decat exhausts, He has a walboro 255 fuel pump and i don't.
Thanks for your responses guys much appreciated.
James
Thanks for your responses guys much appreciated.
James
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Yeah i realise that Harvey thats why i am asking all these questions. I do apperciate all your input.
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Thanks for the Pm James.
So induction kit is different.. and the fuel pump.
Plus when I mapped that PowerFc on the car it came from it was using the Apexi AVC-R Boost controller to control the boost.. if my memory is correct.
I assume you only have the PowerFC?
So the boost control will need setting up.. the fuel pump may alter at least the idle and cruise if not on boost AFR.. and the induction kit MAY effect the AFR on boost too..
Not worth risking it imho.. sorry
Simon
So induction kit is different.. and the fuel pump.
Plus when I mapped that PowerFc on the car it came from it was using the Apexi AVC-R Boost controller to control the boost.. if my memory is correct.
I assume you only have the PowerFC?
So the boost control will need setting up.. the fuel pump may alter at least the idle and cruise if not on boost AFR.. and the induction kit MAY effect the AFR on boost too..
Not worth risking it imho.. sorry
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Originally Posted by jamesbWRXRA
Would it be safe to fit an Apexi power fc to my car that had been mapped for similar mods? As i understand the base map is purely just to get you to the rollers.
James
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Get to Zen performance, they transformed my car.
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I think the list was comprehensive enough being honest
I don't know why you have a problem with this Peanuts. Steve did a really good job for me, I think he really knows his stuff, and I have no problem in recommending him for mapping work.
If it had been the other way around and I had put the phone number for Andy F up, would you have complained about that ???????
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Thanks for all your replies guys . I have decided not to buy the power fc as i need to get the car running sweetly and sort some other issues first. I appreciate all your responses.
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Thanks for all your replies guys . I have decided not to buy the power fc as i need to get the car running sweetly and sort some other issues first. I appreciate all your responses.
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Originally Posted by Proteus
Or Steve Simpson - 07*** ******
I think the list was comprehensive enough being honest
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Last edited by Peanuts : Today at 13:47.
What's all this about.???
If Proteus is happy with someone that has done a good job for him he is perfectly entitled to make a recommendation.
Originally Posted by Proteus
Or Steve Simpson - 07*** ******
I think the list was comprehensive enough being honest
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Last edited by Peanuts : Today at 13:47.
What's all this about.???
If Proteus is happy with someone that has done a good job for him he is perfectly entitled to make a recommendation.
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While I think its good for the community to share experiences, that should be if they are good, bad or indifferent.
Originally Posted by Peanuts
I don't have any specific agenda.
If I have misunderstood your post - then fine - but I bet I'm not the only one who took it to be such.
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
Mappers and mapping are a very subjective and emotive topic.
I have not shared the same happy experience as Proteus and felt I was entitled to post just that.
I have not shared the same happy experience as Proteus and felt I was entitled to post just that.
Originally Posted by Peanuts
I think the list was comprehensive enough being honest
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Andy,
As you have not replied to my PM could you enlighten me as to what work that I have done for you that you are dissatisfied with. I am not aware that I have actually done any mapping for you, but if I'm wrong and you are unhappy,then I would prefer to resolve this.
Steve
As you have not replied to my PM could you enlighten me as to what work that I have done for you that you are dissatisfied with. I am not aware that I have actually done any mapping for you, but if I'm wrong and you are unhappy,then I would prefer to resolve this.
Steve
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I think we'll make this open for public debate as I am disgusted with your response.Here is the trail so far...
After post #22 you replied:
Steve,
I appreciate you taking the time to resolve this, nice touch.
I have been directly involved with 2 cars that have had your map on a GEMS ecu.
Neither have been particularly nice cars to drive (on boost) or made reasonable power for the mods fitted in comparison to other cars on the same day.
So no, you havent mapped for my car personally, but yes I have experienced your work.
Life goes on, worse things happen at sea etc
Yours is a well known name Steve and a lot of ECUs carry your work, I see regular "thanks" and "good work" threads, just in this instance I wasn't overly impressed at the top end.
Cheers
Andy
My PM was then:
Ok, then I need a little more info...
1.Whose cars are we referring to?
2.When did you run them?
3.What was expected/actual power and how was this measured?
4.Did the customers notify me of their dissatisfaction after the work had been done.
5.What do you mean exactly when you say they were not "nice to drive" on boost?
On a direct note regarding yourself; if you say that you know of plenty of "good" work from me then why, on the basis of the two examples above which could possibly be NOT related to the mapping, have you taken the decision to try to dissuade potential customers from using my services?
Steve
To which you have replied:
Steve,
I said I "see" lots of threads, not that I am personally aware of your "good" work.
I will not enter into discussion on this as it is unprofessional to disclose, I am sure you would not happily divulge information to me about your other customers....
Since when has it been unprofessional to wish to resolve issues with unhappy customers? Or maybe the real reason for your original intervention has not yet become clear.I'll let others judge.
Steve
After post #22 you replied:
Steve,
I appreciate you taking the time to resolve this, nice touch.
I have been directly involved with 2 cars that have had your map on a GEMS ecu.
Neither have been particularly nice cars to drive (on boost) or made reasonable power for the mods fitted in comparison to other cars on the same day.
So no, you havent mapped for my car personally, but yes I have experienced your work.
Life goes on, worse things happen at sea etc
Yours is a well known name Steve and a lot of ECUs carry your work, I see regular "thanks" and "good work" threads, just in this instance I wasn't overly impressed at the top end.
Cheers
Andy
My PM was then:
Ok, then I need a little more info...
1.Whose cars are we referring to?
2.When did you run them?
3.What was expected/actual power and how was this measured?
4.Did the customers notify me of their dissatisfaction after the work had been done.
5.What do you mean exactly when you say they were not "nice to drive" on boost?
On a direct note regarding yourself; if you say that you know of plenty of "good" work from me then why, on the basis of the two examples above which could possibly be NOT related to the mapping, have you taken the decision to try to dissuade potential customers from using my services?
Steve
To which you have replied:
Steve,
I said I "see" lots of threads, not that I am personally aware of your "good" work.
I will not enter into discussion on this as it is unprofessional to disclose, I am sure you would not happily divulge information to me about your other customers....
Since when has it been unprofessional to wish to resolve issues with unhappy customers? Or maybe the real reason for your original intervention has not yet become clear.I'll let others judge.
Steve
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Peanuts,
You started your input into this thread with the following comment...
But it now appears that you were not being HONEST at all !!!
I am absolutely outraged that you issue such a comment, and then make further comments in some inept attempt at backing up your story; all of which are based upon no 'direct' experience at all
But you have not had ANY experience, good bad or otherwise. Therefore you are not in a suitable position to post on it.
I suggest that you re-think your posts on this thread, and offer a public apology - before someone takes action over the content of this thread.
If these two 'mystery' people who Steve had done work for had an issue with any part of his work, then they should have contacted him to get the matter rectified
Oh yes, and just one other thing...
Just what sort of comment to make is this ? 'Nice touch'
GET A LIFE !
You started your input into this thread with the following comment...
Originally Posted by Peanuts
I think the list was comprehensive enough being honest
I am absolutely outraged that you issue such a comment, and then make further comments in some inept attempt at backing up your story; all of which are based upon no 'direct' experience at all
Originally Posted by Peanuts
I have not shared the same happy experience as Proteus and felt I was entitled to post just that
I suggest that you re-think your posts on this thread, and offer a public apology - before someone takes action over the content of this thread.
If these two 'mystery' people who Steve had done work for had an issue with any part of his work, then they should have contacted him to get the matter rectified
Oh yes, and just one other thing...
Originally Posted by Peanuts
I appreciate you taking the time to resolve this, nice touch.
GET A LIFE !
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I'll share some of my experiences...
I have been lucky enough to drive around a dozen cars mapped by Steve. They have ranged from pretty bog standard fairs right up too several 500hp+ 'monsters'.
'Drivability' on each was to me, spot on, whether it was 1.2bar on a td04 or 2.2bar on a gt35r - 2ltr or 2.5 - big cam or small cam... whatever... all performed excellently. Idle control, boost control, throttle response etc could not be faulted in any of them. It must be said one of the cars did have a cold start problem - namely 3 turns of the key to start on cold mornings. This was rectified by Steve. Cold start is probably one of the 'trickier' parts of the mapping process, you only get one shot and if the car is delivered 'hot' you don't even get that...
Also I have never seen a car leave TEG with less horsepower/torque then what it arrived with. Whether it be GEMS, Power FC, MoTeC etc etc. Some of the before/after graphs and comparisons have been really quite amazing... and I'm not talking about just double figure improvements...
Now onto my own car (STi5). I have owned it for 7 years, for 6 of those it has been running between 400 and 500hp without a single problem. I have had numerous configurations along the way. The one thing that hasn't changed in those 6 years has been the mapper and ECU. I think that speaks volumes.
(and btw I'm not one of those sycophantic dicks who praises his 'new found friends' each week in the 'dealer and third party' forum).
I have been lucky enough to drive around a dozen cars mapped by Steve. They have ranged from pretty bog standard fairs right up too several 500hp+ 'monsters'.
'Drivability' on each was to me, spot on, whether it was 1.2bar on a td04 or 2.2bar on a gt35r - 2ltr or 2.5 - big cam or small cam... whatever... all performed excellently. Idle control, boost control, throttle response etc could not be faulted in any of them. It must be said one of the cars did have a cold start problem - namely 3 turns of the key to start on cold mornings. This was rectified by Steve. Cold start is probably one of the 'trickier' parts of the mapping process, you only get one shot and if the car is delivered 'hot' you don't even get that...
Also I have never seen a car leave TEG with less horsepower/torque then what it arrived with. Whether it be GEMS, Power FC, MoTeC etc etc. Some of the before/after graphs and comparisons have been really quite amazing... and I'm not talking about just double figure improvements...
Now onto my own car (STi5). I have owned it for 7 years, for 6 of those it has been running between 400 and 500hp without a single problem. I have had numerous configurations along the way. The one thing that hasn't changed in those 6 years has been the mapper and ECU. I think that speaks volumes.
(and btw I'm not one of those sycophantic dicks who praises his 'new found friends' each week in the 'dealer and third party' forum).
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I second the above, since starting the modding program on my car the ECU has always been looked after by Steve. I have the afore mentioned cold start problem but as said one shot to fix . The main snag for Steve in fixing this is that the car has just driven 400 miles to TEG Sport and another distance to go thus not allowing the car to be left overnight to allow ammendments to the cold start. I have always recieved good advice from Steve when I ask questions about further work I am thinking of doing. My plans for next year are still in the design stage and may alter as time goes on but the one consistent will be Steve mapping my car.