Brian the Sn@il

Ive had it with the high RPM spool up of the Turbo ( 4K RPM before it gets going) and Bog down on the WR1. the 2K RPM dead zone

Its time to sort it.

I require instant throttle response,

I will be spending a few THousand to get this sorted properly.

What Tuners are the Best at Moddifying New Scoobs ?

I hear lots of good things about Graham Goode, Roger Clarke, TSL....

Its major work which is required, not just a induction kit etc..
But not stretching to a 2.5

jonny gav

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best speak to Bob at BRDEVELOPMENTS, thats who i would speak to about such matters.

TonyBurns

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Brian,
Your best tuner will be Lit imports
You know you now want a JDM car as they are so much better

Tony

p1doc

go to tsl and get richard bulmer to map it,improved my ppp "lagginess" to no end
martin

Brian the Sn@il

Ive spoken to others, the map wont change anything

on the rolling road,, TOrque and Bhp is nearly the same as the Type R, but we all know the gearing is rather different

So i need the Turbo to Spool up from 1000RPM with Lightning response fromt eh throttle.. Can any Tuner do this ???

Brian the Sn@il

Ok im Poppijg into Roger Clark, TSL

to try their New Age.....

My Money goes to the tuner whi can sort out throttle resonse, im not after any more BHP !!! just a faster throttle response

john banks

You won't get it to spool from 1000 RPM. Get a ride in a Type 25 as a benchmark IMHO.

Brian the Sn@il

any others to try ?

chrome

I think you are chasing a wild goose brian.
listen to JB...

Adam M

why spend the extra on a wr1 over a jap spec 05 in the first place if you are prepared to destroy your warranty immediately, there is just no sense in it.

Sell the WR1 and buy a Type 25, or a 05 sti from litchfields, from then on you can do what you like.

You will lose money by modding any car, much more so if it is a UK car with a voided warranty, if you are going to do that then surely you are better to start on a cheaper car..

Brian the Sn@il

Ive been bid 25K on a Part Exchange thats why im going to spend the money ont he WR1.

Brian the Sn@il

Its that bad is it

MaDaSS

No its not that bad, thats just buying new in the British market, like normal.
While ***** like me and him, and everyone else keep paying stupid money for new cars in the UK, we will continue to be ripped off at selling time.

MikeWood

Brian

No matter what you do with the ancilliaries of the engine you will still be left with a fundamental problem in the low engine speed range that you don't like. It's a turbocharged engine that runs a fairly low compression ratio, no amount of mapping/turbo swaps etc are going to get around that. (I think you know that already, but bear with me!) One thing that does help is to only drive the car at part throttle at these low engine speeds as this allows the engine to run more ignition advance and therefore have more torque. Another major factor when compared to your Type R is the weight but there isn't really any way of losing 200kg very easily..

An easy way to see if increasing engine capacity or fitting a smaller turbo is to drive a Forester 2.5XT. The major improvement that has been made with the 2.5 is that it is a better n/a engine as it's a larger capacity and is therefore correspondingly better off boost.

Go and drive some other cars but I think that you will find them very similar to your own when driven in the same way unless the compression ratio has been raised.

Regards

Mike

chrome

brian- as Mike Wood rightly says.
I know of no (road legal) turbo car that has full boost ability @ 1000rpm.

adding antilag might go some way to addressing it, but it would not be road legal and I hear anti lag eats turbo's like sweeties.

you could try asking on 22b.com for a very technical answer to your idea..
either way you have lost money on your WR1.
To void the warranty this early might just add salt to the wound...

all the guys who have modded the bobbins off their cars will tell you that its costs a fair bit (some far more than others), its add almost nowt to the resale value (usually) and it takes a lot of tinkering about and management of the car once you get far beyond OE spec.

...you'd probably find a car that made full boost at 1000rpm would be terrifying for the road too.. and you'd have/need the most impressively delicate foot and throttle control to avoid killing yourself or someone else !!

john banks

Brian, if you want wild torque from idle get a Monaro, supercharged Merc V8, 540/545i, M5, XJR, S-Type R, Audi RS6 or even an MG 260 thingie etc. Anything with a V8 basically, a supercharger or a pair of small turbos hung off the sides will help too. Nothing you can do with a small capacity engine will reproduce the delivery off idle of a big V8.

Alternatively if you do stick with a four, look at the way VAG and Saab turbocharge their small engines... low outputs, turbo is mainly just filling in the torque.

Brian the Sn@il

Thanks for your replies,

I took a Leagacy 2.5 non turbo out the other week and it had good response, far quicker off the mark compared to the WR1.

Im on tour very soon to most Tuners in the Country to compare various mods testing their demo cars.

I dont want to leave the Scooby scene with out a good fight, its easy to part ex the WR1 in for a S4 V8, but i bought the WR1 without driving it ( as most owners had too )

Im going to give it a month of my time to find a Modified Scoob that has a Good Throttle Response.
If i cant ill admit defeat and buy that S4 V8

The WR1 is a great car dont get me wrong, Just not the Great Car that i was expecting it too be.

john banks

Try an E55 AMG supercharged and tell me what you think whilst you are at it 516lbft at 2650 RPM. Only weighs 290kg more than an STi.

You don't need to go around dozens of tuners, just try a Type 25, or at least do that first so you don't waste your time. The combination of twin scroll, AVCS and 2.5 will show how it is done on a Subaru engine with presently available bits. What you feel there in terms of low down torque and driveability will IMHO be the best there is available.

alcazar

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Very interesting thread.

It's a shame you aren't satisfied Brian...........I've been there and done this years ago with a different car, just couldn't live with it, and traded it after only 6 weeks

Keep us up to date on what you find, and what you decide to do, if you have time?

Alcazar

Bob Rawle

Brian if you are anywhere near me come over and I'll let you try my STi9, your WR1 can be made to have 90/95% of the throttle response I can achieve on the twin scroll cars which would go a very long way to sorting your issues. I'm talking about being able to drive with 5% throttle only and accellerate in 6th. the turbo on the WR1 is not as good spool wise as a twin scroll but it can be brought close, surge line is the issue not spool limitation. the car has a 3 port solenoid already as standard fit (see they do take notice) so thats already sorted. An induction mod will make it even more responsive, however you are taking risks with your warranty of course, transform the car though.

up to you, offer is there

bob

tweenierob

Good call by Bob, would be the first place to try IMHO...

Rob

Brian the Sn@il

Cheers for the Offer BOB

but...

A Tuner came back to me yesterday morning and i took up their offer before i saw yours.

Ill keep everyone posted on the outcome

Plus if it does work ill be naming the Company who have sorted it out.

lets see what they can do for the WR1........

Adam M

scoobymania?

jonny gav

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good luck

hawkthescoobslayer

ruf

john banks

Would be nice if they had a 3.6 and two turbos to play with in a Scooby

NENO

Surely it would be more fun if they had a genuine 800bhp/800ftlb gearbox

Bob Rawle

Brian all the best with it, if you have any questions relating feel free to shoot them my way, I have already done this. Bear in mind that a WR1 is "just" a remapped STi Type UK at the outset. I'll take any questions off line though as public answers will help the "opposition"

cheers

Bob

Brian the Sn@il

Many thanks Bob,

p1doc

so if wr1 comes with a 3-port solenoid does the standard uk sti get it as well
martin