AndyC616

Sorry if this ground has already been covered in a previous post, but has anyone out there specialist knowledge on an LPG conversion for MY98 UK spec. I have made some enquiries and the cost of fitting one of these systems is approx £1000. A few garages in my area have started supplying LPG at a cost of 40 odd pence per litre.

I currently spend approximately £200 per month in petrol, so this conversion should save me approx £80 per month.
Another advantage as I understand it would be an increased range, which would almost double the distance between refills ( based on a 50L tank)
RON rating of LPG is about 113, fuel consumption drops approx 10-15% when using it, but it is a cleaner burning fuel and gives off less harmful emissions as almost 100% combustion is achieved.
I am informed that the engine will run a little warmer and that spark plugs actually last longer.
By my reckoning, in a year, the system will have paid for itself (earlier if you run superunleaded or do more miles than me).
Are there any hidden pitfalls in converting my car to a duel fuel car?

babber

AndyC616,

Been thinking about the same conversion myself, only didn't post for fear of being flamed!!! I drive a lot of motorway mileage, and would like to save a few quid whilst doing this. I also want the performance over the weekend when I can and will run her on Super unleaded. Seems a waste to fill her with Super then cruise down the motorway at 80 to 90 mph.

Have you had someone say they can do the mods ?

Can you post or e-mail any information. As far as I'm concerned £1000 for the mod, will pay for itself in a few months.

Any information would be greatly received. Thanks Phill C.

Sideways

Been thinking about the same conversion
myself.

HELLO. Babber don't you dare

babber

And why not ?

As I've mentioned I spend loads of money on fuel just to cruise up the motorway at 80 mph. If I was running on LPG, I could still do this, but at a reduced cost. When I wanted the performance I could switch to SUL and away we go!!

I'd be really interested in finding out:-

1) Can it be done ?

2) What is the cost ?

Sideways, you still got that LSD jag axle for sale ?

Nigel Bowles

I've been chasing this one down ever since I bought the scooby. I have found loads of people who wont touch performace cars, several suppliers that were interested but didn't have a kit and a couple that would develop if there was enough interest.
There is one common factor though, none of them actually come up with anything ...

babber

Yes I thought as much. Maybe we should all register our interests on here and get someone to research it for us.

Someone must be interested in doing it. As we all know the Scooby is quite pants on petrol. Although I returned 31.5 MPG the other day with air con. on keeping under a ton!!!

There must be loads of people that want performance at the weekend, with economy during the week ?

Cheers Phill C

Luke

Thought the main problem was the "Turbo". I spoke to a guy who is doing this work and he reccons that its a bad idea at the moment. To many "cowboys" jumping on this new craze wagon...... he thinks it could be solved but not as yet.

Jza

Cant believe anyone owning an impreza is bothered about the fuel economy enough to LPG it!!! Its a turbo car Andy and Babber. They (subaru's) drink fuel. Thats part of the ownership costs.

Oh - and i doubt Subaru warrenty covers the switch.

Also, i thought you cant LPG turbo cars!!!

By the way - you dont get as good fuel economy - its just 1/2 the price of UL so it works out cheaper.

Get a nice little 1.0 car if you want better MPG. Cheaper to insure and tax costs less. then you'll be really happy!

Is this thread a wind up???

Jza

babber

Jza,

As far as I'm concerned it's not a wind up.. After buying my Impreza I was back for my 1500 mile service eight days later....

I understand it a performance car, that's why I bought it.

As most of my mileage is on the motorway, Seems a waste to fill it with SUL, and sit at a constant 80 mph for two hours. I didn't need good acceleration on the motorway.

So back to the question, has anyone got any information on this subject ?????

Cheers Phill C.

P.S My car is 5 months old and has done 15k, most of it on the motorway.

polarbearit

I too would be interested in such a conversion. Going back a while I saw someone in Cardiff selling various cars with LPG fitted, including a middle aged WRX, so such conversions must of been done. It would be great to find out if LPG can be run safely with a turbo so if anyone knows someone with such a car please post the details.

I too do 25k miles+ pa and around 13k of that is motorways where performance is not an issue. I would buy a second car if it was practical, but unfortunately my daily commute is 50% country roads and 50% motorway, so I want the performance and fun of the scooby half the time, but everyday!

Jon

babber

Just spoken to a chap about having the conversion done. He's going to find out from the manufacture if they done any Impreza turbos before.

I've told him there's a bit of interest on this BBS and he seems very keen.

I report back any developments.

Cheers all, Phill C

Markus

Jza,
it's not a wind up. I've been thinking about a LPG conversion. Why? well, fuel is cheaper, which is a good thing. Plus RON rating is higher than SUL, and as I've got a jap import that would be a nice bonus, no need to for octance boosters, even on track, which is nice.

What's wrong with people wanting better fuel economy when they have a scooby? some of us, me included use the car as an everyday car and not just as a weekend car, thus fuel bills can be quite high, yes, we knew this when we got the car, but there is nothing wrong with trying to save a few quid, means more money for spending on mods

DARREN

The octane rating is 100 ron
i will follow up, within the week to let you know some spec!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Darren

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Markus:
<B>Jza,
it's not a wind up. I've been thinking about a LPG conversion. Why? well, fuel is cheaper, which is a good thing. Plus RON rating is higher than SUL, and as I've got a jap import that would be a nice bonus, no need to for octance boosters, even on track, which is nice.

What's wrong with people wanting better fuel economy when they have a scooby? some of us, me included use the car as an everyday car and not just as a weekend car, thus fuel bills can be quite high, yes, we knew this when we got the car, but there is nothing wrong with trying to save a few quid, means more money for spending on mods [/quote]

I cant believe you can actually be seriously trying to justify LPG'ing a performance Turbo car. Its just Mad. Sell the car and join the mpg brigade!!!!! Whats wrong with the Sport model - 4wd and you save on petrol!!!

This thread is really really sad..... should be ashamed!!!!

How about starting a thread lobbying Subaru for a Trubo Diesel WRX!!!

babber

Jza,

No your the sad one!!! What wrong with wanting to have better MPG, you obviously haven't read the thread properly, you just want to be the first to have a go..

This is one of the things that really pi55 me off about this BBS, to many ****ers like you.

Now pi55 off and mind your own business!!

Phill

Luke

When some one gets it done And they have had it for ayear then I might try it. The person I met Was one the largest LPG guys in England.All he had to say was "Every Tom Dick and Harry in the motor trade is trying it. You can even do a 2, day course in Exchange and Mart !!!!. This guy has made a lot of money and liked the idea of keeping it. So his attitude was Do it right and dont be the first to try something..... He did not reccomend converting a Scoob.

Deputy Dog

Ive looked inot his too, but at the moment Subaru wont warranty the engine if converted.

Actually LPG will give you a performace increase as its rated at 100 - 105 RON!

Jza Cant believe you wouldnt look at a cheap performance upgrade, you should be ashamed of yourself!

I understand the problem to be getting the right advance and stuff, because of the injection pressure required for LPG and the compression supplied by the turbo!

Up to 2/3 of the cost can be reclaimed from the goverment and round here its 43p a litre.
Also due to the cleaner burning, theres less contiments, so your oil lasts longer and therefore protects your engine better.
IF IT CAN BE DONE ITS WORTHWHILE

Paul M

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by babber:
<B>Jza,

Now pi55 off and mind your own business!!

Phill[/quote]

Hey Phill,

One thing i hate about people like you is that when you know your full of **** you get all aggressive

LPG is very sad. Buy a diesal mate. Its much better suited to you if you own an impreza and want better MPG. Saves on insurance and tax. Plus you can get a nice grey steering wheel cover to match your slippers....

Impreza's guzzle. You knew that when you bought it. They do that because they go quick. They cost the earth to keep on the road!! Now you want to save money. Why? I think you should re-think the car you own before spending on LPG conversion.

Plus the weight of the kit is surely going to slow you down. What about the warrenty implications? And insurance??

Why did you buy a performance car in the first place? Get a Sport and add the turbo's kit and it'll make your willie feel just as big!!!

Very Very SAD

Jza

Markus

Jza,
as has been said by others, the RON rating of LPG is higher than one can purchase at the pump, and does not require purchase of octane booster, thus, in my eyes, apart from maybe helping a little on MPG, it would be better for performance as it's nearer the RON rating that the engine was designed to run on, well, in my case, as i have a jap import. Thus this is a GOOD THING.

Do you use your car everyday for driving to and from work, ie; is your scooby your main vehicle?

scoobyboy

i've seen a few scoobs with gas and it does cause a problem. on every scoob i've seen the check engine light is on and in the memory there is always the 02 sensor and or air flow meter have'nt seen a manufacturer that has managed to install lpg and keep these 2 things appearing in the memory. but if you can put up with the check engine light on when you run gas then go for it .

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Markus:
<B>Jza,
as has been said by others, the RON rating of LPG is higher than one can purchase at the pump, and does not require purchase of octane booster, thus, in my eyes, apart from maybe helping a little on MPG, it would be better for performance as it's nearer the RON rating that the engine was designed to run on, well, in my case, as i have a jap import. Thus this is a GOOD THING.

Do you use your car everyday for driving to and from work, ie; is your scooby your main vehicle?[/quote]

Yes Markus, its my mine vehicle, and yes the costs are great. But i new about that when i bought it!! Cant see the point of turning a performance car (still dont believe you can do it anyway - dont think it works for Turbo cars) into something thats cheaper. Why not buy a cheaper to run car and save a fortune???

Jza

ed the dead

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jza:
<B> I cant believe you can actually be seriously trying to justify LPG'ing a performance Turbo car. Its just Mad. Sell the car and join the mpg brigade!!!!! Whats wrong with the Sport model - 4wd and you save on petrol!!!

This thread is really really sad..... should be ashamed!!!!

How about starting a thread lobbying Subaru for a Trubo Diesel WRX!!! [/quote]

I wouldn't mind knowing if you can covert a sport to LPG, if that's alright with you JZA

ian/555

For the non believers in Scoobyland here is a link for a Turbo Impreza for sale with such a LPG conversion done.

babber

ed the dead,

Take no notice of Jza, this is a BBS so you can post what you want.

Jza is bitter as hes got a MY01 WRX, and everyone knows that they are slower than the older Impreza Turbo. ECU has been changed for one off of a milk float!!

Jza wrote "Plus the weight of the kit is surely going to slow you down".

That might be true, but she'll still be faster than your dog ugly car.

Cheers Phill

[This message has been edited by babber (edited 10 July 2001).]

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by babber:
<B>ed the dead,

Take no notice of Jza, this is a BBS so you can post what you want.
[/quote]


Yes mate - and you can also disagree with other peoples views . But you cant deal with that can you?

I love my WRX - so na na de na na!! - can't see attacking me or my car as you have done is going to help your cause But if it makes you feel better......

Good luck to the lot of you. If LPG adds to the performance and reduces the costs then i'll be the first in line to eat my own words!!!

But as ive said before... and ill say it again..... why not buy a car thats cheaper to run???

By the way Babber, none other than Pete Croney himself says the ECU on the MY01 WRX is superior to the old one

Jza

[This message has been edited by Jza (edited 11 July 2001).]

ed the dead

Are you PSLewis's mate?

BugEyed

Ed

He can't be - he has got gold wheels!

Come on guys, lighten up!

Andy Hall

Jza,

Can't help but think you are a bit bonkers mate. If you can't abide what is being spoken about here, why don't you bog off to another thread.

I don't see your problem, the way you speak you must be loaded, you basically say that everyone who owns a scoob knows they are expensive to run, so should not try to economise by using what may be a viable alternative.

Little is known at the moment, but for all we know LPG could be kinder to engines (imports anyway) as the tendency for det could be decreased by the extra RON and money may also (until the government changes its policy) be saved on the gas.

The added performance generated may outweigh the additional weight of the canister etc, who knows.

Lets let the thread run its course and see what knowledge we can gather and make a considered conclusion.

Posts like yours just tend to put people of posting, if every time you post a thread someone calls you an idiot for having a thought, the community will be damaged, which I would not like to see.

Post and let post huh

Andy

Deputy Dog

here here Andy

Jza

God im so scared..........

What you going to do - Gas me to death

Dull Dull Dull Dull Dull. The lot of you.............

Look,

Im entitled to my opinion - nothing you lot are saying changes the fact that LPG etc is the wrong way to go IMHO. So stop all being sad and go buy a Turbo Diesal or 1.0 fiesta or something more economical!!! IMPREZA'S ARE GUZZLERS - YOU KNOW THAT - SO WHY WHITTER ON ABOUT SOMETHING SO SAD????

If you dont like low MPG buy something else!!! Thats my opinion.

But hey - you saddo's carry on - i dont mind . Like the TV or a magazine, if you dont like what i say you can turn over. But i wont stop posting!!!!

LOL @ LPG sad boys

PS i dont have gold wheels

Jza

Bored on a wednesday p.m.