snowcrash

What is needed to be done to mod up a standard scoob turbo into an almost rally scoob ???

this isn't a price is no object question - this is almost rally car with a few mods question and on a budget...?????

gravelexpress

phew what do you mean look like a rally car, sound like a rally car, handle like a rally car or perform like a rally car?
tarmac or gravel spec?

they are made as light as possible for a start. so i suppose you should chuck out all the sound proofing, carpets and dont forget the rear seats!!

get the shell seam welded, bolt in roll cage, drummond 50mm suspension, paddle type clutch (all or nothing) rip out the air conditioning and the old fuel tank put in a bag tank, rip out the entire wiring loom and replace with competition type breakers and fire switch.

tune it up so it ticks over at about 4000rpm and it does about 10 miles to the gallon, shot in a gems ecu and alk and bobs your uncle about 10k i think, probably cheaper if you do it yourself

............or i suppose you could put on some red mudflaps and loads of decals for about 200 quid

snowcrash

mainly sound/ ikle performance

not really too bothered about the bodywork styling...

on tarmac.

gravelexpress

well it has to be the straight through exhaust then..
i posted a thread yesterday asking if anyone has a "actual rally" exhaust fitted, only rally col answered-- because he has a rally car!!
have a look for powerflow exhausts, or prodrive exhaust systems. I must admit I only like the "real rally" sound but have only heard it on rally machinery not street cars.
I dont know much about performance at all - but I believe the goal with rally cars is torque not absolute power, the drivers want a car that can "pull" in all conditions.

snowcrash

same here gravel - i have nearly a straight through zoorst.. (Scoobysport B/B and D/P) but how do you get flames and chattering?

gravelexpress

okay the flames yes i know everyone wants them..

now if you mean like the rally cars BANG BANG explosion of gas and flames from tailpipe forget about it.

thats resultant from Anti Lag System big no no for a street car see previous thread about 5 days ago.

But if you mean like a backfire type bang and and flames I really honestly dont know?? lets post something in general!! I have never seen a scoob spiting fire out of the back but those bloody cossies do it. even worse i own a Golf GTI 1989 and found out that cars up to 1988 can do it. Something to do with a rich mixture and letting oxygen back up the pipe??

snowcrash

theres frameout kits for that - im on about that chitter/chattering sound when the drivers let off the accelerator pedal as if the hamsters need feeding

snowcrash

flames are ok, flames that come out about 1 meter from the bumpber are just dodgy!

gravelexpress

i think the chitter chattery sound ala WRC car impreza is from the dumpvalve and wastegate but not to sure

snowcrash

so i guess to get to cheapo WRC scoob you need:
Full Zoorst System
Anti-Lag
Dawes?
Induction Kit?
Vent-To-Atmos (or a wastegate-to something thingy)?
ECU Remap?
Flameout kit??

Bump Steer mod for handling?
RIG Rally mudflaps

gravelexpress

doesnt sound like a bad start......dont forget the decals though

B4 Boy

We get a chattering from our car... Has a Forge dump valve and a K&N filter (Nice whoosh sound to!!)

snowcrash

B4 boy - do you have a full decat? or just the dump valve and induction it.

ZAZ

I didn't think rally cars had dump valves. I think that lovely chattering sound comes from the wastegate. I'd love to get my car making that noise but don't know how you'd go about doing that safely! I think it's big boost!

B4 Boy

Snow..

No the Scoobysport sytem is coming soon Just the DV and the Filter...

The chattering is not "Rally Car" loud but certainly noticeable outside the car as well as inside...

submannz

The chattering is the turbines spinning up really fast, caused by the antilag. As the air passes the turbines you get this sound.

snowcrash

b4 i recommend the scoobysport system, i can't stop driving mine and being sad by revving it up just to hear it gurgle and pop all the time

snowcrash

submannz i remember seeing a thread about anti-lag bug didn't read it, do u know where it is...?

Neanderthal

iTrader: (6)

I seem to remember a thread about this a few months ago.
I believe the chattering sound you hear from the rally cars is the pressure from the turbo being released through the wastegate as rally cars don't have DV's.

I remember a chp on here with a Baileys atmos DV that he'd partially closed the gap in the dv and he could hear the chattering sound.

As to how healthy this is for the engine I do not know.

Matt

snowcrash

maybe i should just hook up a tape recorder and some speakers under the bonnet and set it to play the chattering sound when letting off the accelerator...

or maybe not

submannz

Matt, I was talking to a Subaru Mechanic for Subaru works team, he told me that the noise wasn't the waste gate making the noise.

The noise is from the impella blades, a lot louder version of the typical turbo whistle.

What happens, for a split second when the foot is taken off the gas the turbo starts to slow down, then the anti-lag accelerates the turbines, because you are off the gas the turbines are spinning faster that the airflow, causing the chattering sound until the airflow catches up.

Anyway very hard to explain but I tried my best.

Trout...

I can do a tarmac rally car on a budget - give me a budget of £250,000 and I will speak to my mate David Lapworth

Trout

snowcrash

let me write a cheque out - uhm.....

ADP

I used to be able to get my mates Turbo 2000 X reg to burble and pop quite nicely. All it had was a scoobysport back box and an ITG panel filter and it sounded mega!!

scottdg

boys,

full Scooby Sport de-cat turbo back system. HKS Super sequential BOV (dump valve), ITG and ECUTEK remap.

All the above has resulted in a fair bit of flame spitting and crackle, pop, bang on up change , over run and feathering the throttle.

good luck

snowcrash

i've now got scoobysport downpipe and backbox, itg filter and dawes... its now popping and gurgling but i guess i still need to get a mid-section and a dump valve or uppipe or something....

up,up and away - mods here we come