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Old 25 January 2016, 07:31 PM
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Yesterday I was gently driving along the m66 when my Impreza decided to miss fire then 15 seconds later cut out on me. I coasted to the hard should and tried to restart it but had no joy. I initially thought the timing belt had gone and possibly engine had gone bye bye but it turns freely off the pulley so I don't think this is the case.

Now when I turn the ignition on the dash is like a Christmas tree with my map selection flashing and no read out what so ever for my central diff settings. In addition to this when I turn the key to try and start the engine absoloutly nothing happens what so ever apart from the clock in the centre of the dash going blank for the duration of the key being in the position. Any ideas ?
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Old 25 January 2016, 07:54 PM
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Sounds like maybe an earth has come off or a main powersupply has a fault.
Old 25 January 2016, 09:15 PM
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As above and check all battery connections from battery to fuse box etc.
Old 25 January 2016, 09:26 PM
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Does sound like main electrics. Check battery leads and main fuses. Also state of charge of battery...I once witnessed a catastrophic failure of a car battery, not mine, but it just exploded, acid everywhere.
Old 26 January 2016, 06:04 PM
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So I've done all the basic checks and all grounds seem fine and voltage is reaching the right places. I've also used another battery to eliminate the current batteries as a possibility. My friend has just popped round with his snap on engine fault code reader and nothing there. Is seems to be immobilised but I don't understand why.
Old 26 January 2016, 06:42 PM
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Is the big loom connector with the over centre grey lever in the top r/h corner of the engine bay secure, had one before that gave the same faults as yours, it was that.
Old 26 January 2016, 07:28 PM
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I've just been to check that and it's all secure. I unplugged it and Plugged it back in to double check but still the same. Thanks for the suggestion, anything else will be appreciated
Old 26 January 2016, 08:10 PM
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Sounds like you cannot give the starter enough amps but why i am not sure if all connections are ok and remembering that testing with a multimeter does not take the amps of a starter motor but will show the correct voltage so do the headlights work ok and if yes do they still work when trying to start the car.
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I don't think it's a case of not supplying enough power as my car was running fine and then cut out. I think it's more loss of signal from the ecu or along those line. The reason I say this is the map is flashing and won't allow me to choose between different maps and the c diff settings also aren't functioning correctly.
Old 26 January 2016, 08:16 PM
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This isn't me arguing and being pedantic I'm very greatful of all your help I'm just replying with my thoughts and trying to make sense of all this.
Old 26 January 2016, 09:49 PM
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No problem i hope you get it sorted.
Old 28 January 2016, 01:37 AM
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you tried this:
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...lt-lights.html

I also read on NASIOC that there was a common fault with a connection at the fuse box getting water into it. Subaru issued a notice about it, but unfortunately cant find it for now.
Old 28 January 2016, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack rod
I don't think it's a case of not supplying enough power as my car was running fine and then cut out. I think it's more loss of signal from the ecu or along those line. The reason I say this is the map is flashing and won't allow me to choose between different maps and the c diff settings also aren't functioning correctly.
Basically it's in limp mode.

Had you read any EML codes present ??
Old 28 January 2016, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Don Clark
Basically it's in limp mode.

Had you read any EML codes present ??
Don, its not in limp mode it died and wont start at all he says.
Old 28 January 2016, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Beastie
Don, its not in limp mode it died and wont start at all he says.
Even if it won't start the "map is flashing and won't allow me to choose between different maps and the c diff settings also aren't functioning correctly" indicates limp mode

"Now when I turn the ignition on the dash is like a Christmas tree with my map selection flashing and no read out what so ever for my central diff settings."

If it lights up like a christmas tree then he should be able to get any codes read from the ECU
Until then it could be anything.
Old 28 January 2016, 08:43 AM
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I've plugged it in to a snap on obd2 reader and there aren't any engine codes present.
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As said this is a main power problem, ie main connections at battery (2 big round plugs) or fusebox, could even be a slack connector at the ecu or a power wire rubbed through, could be there for ever trying to guess what the issue is, if your not good with electrical systems would get a auto electrician or take it to a subaru specialist as doubt very much it will be sorted out on the forum as could be anything.
Old 28 January 2016, 09:12 AM
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I've done basic check if the main power circuit as I work as a cnc maintenance engineer I have an average understanding of electrical circuits. Everything seems to check out but that doesn't mean I havnt missed something I'm only human haha. I've got a mobile auto electrician coming to take a look for me this week so hopefully it will be sorted. Thanks for all your continued input guys I really appreciate it.
Old 28 January 2016, 10:55 AM
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This may help you get started...............



NOTE:

You may need to download the following pdf's to get the full text.

(My Acrobat Viewer in Win 10 only shows the basic diagrams and table layouts)


Start Motor curcuit.pdf

Power Supply.pdf

Ignition control.pdf

Fuel Pump.pdf

Fuel Injector.pdf

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Old 28 January 2016, 11:09 AM
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Don that's awesome I'll be a busy man tonight and tomorrow checking through these, thanks for finding those.
Old 28 January 2016, 04:24 PM
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Couldn't be an alarm/immobiliser fault, could it?
Old 28 January 2016, 06:05 PM
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I personally think it's immobiliser related
Old 28 January 2016, 06:06 PM
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It's annoying because I was treating it to new wheels and a triple core rad for track days and then she goes and breaks on me.
Old 29 January 2016, 08:57 PM
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Body control module fault at a guess. wont allow the ecu signal to crank or supply fuel. Had a hatch do similar not long ago.
Old 29 January 2016, 09:49 PM
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Rob that sounds like the cookie to me. Explain how you solved this please sir
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Originally Posted by Jack rod
Rob that sounds like the cookie to me. Explain how you solved this please sir
First of all I'd suggest you get the fault read by someone with the Subaru Select Monitor & do an all systems diagnosis. It will be a B code as you need to interrogate the body module. chances are its a communication issue due to the fact the dash is flashing like a Christmas tree and the C-Diff is doing random things on the screen.

The last one we did we changed the body module and programmed it to the vehicle. really speaking it should also have 2 brand new keys coded to it as that's the recommended repair.

The communication issue stops the body module talking to the Engine control module so its immobilised good and proper.

Without seeing the vehicle I can only advise on what I found on the last one I had that wouldn't start, But it does sound very similar. Ours was a police hatch that cut out on active duty and wouldn't re start.
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These diagrams of the car's CAN (controller area network) will add to Rob's reply/ explanation...

Low Speed CAN pdf


High Speed CAN pdf

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Old 30 January 2016, 08:38 AM
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Rob 84 and don Clark thanks very much for your help. Your like the fairy god mothers of the Subaru gremlin world. Thanks guys seriously.
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So all this was caused by a fuse located in the passenger foot well, I'm not sure what this module is but there is a 15 amp fuse blown there. Any ideas guys ?
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Old 30 January 2016, 03:20 PM
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Location wise that is the B220 fuse (relay block) for the following:-

A/F Oxygen sensor relay
Fuel pump relay
IG relay
Main relay
Electronic throttle control relay



The main relay supplies most of the other sensors.
Glad it turned out not as bad as it could have been.
Would be renewing both of those fuses to be on the safe side

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