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Old 15 January 2012, 01:24 PM
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Right guys, probably going to whip my headers off and give them a bit of a porting and while they are off heat wrap them as well.

just wondering if you still run the heat shields after you have wrapped the headers
Old 15 January 2012, 01:50 PM
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Old 15 January 2012, 03:48 PM
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I never kept the heatshields because they were rattling and drove me mad!
Old 15 January 2012, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by L.J.F
I never kept the heatshields because they were rattling and drove me mad!
I'm glad it wasn't just my scoob that rattled with the heat shield.
I took mine off as well
Old 17 January 2012, 01:07 PM
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I hate that rattling sound especially when you switch off the engine as it makes you wounder if the bottom end is rattling?!
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
I'm glad it wasn't just my scoob that rattled with the heat shield.
I took mine off as well
Me too stupid things..
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Wrapped Headers here but no heat shields.
Old 18 January 2012, 08:53 PM
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Any body used thermo tec 'cool it '??????
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Use the best possible heat wrap you can and done properly it lasts for years.

Guide to heat wrapping.

I have used all the heat wraps I have come across over many years but so far I am settled on DEI wrap because the thermal properties are as good as anything else I have found and better than most. It also has good service life when properly applied. It is close weave so there are no holes when streached. It has a stitch down each side to act as a guide to overlap so it is easy to use and because there is less excessive wrapping, more economical in use.

Heat wrapping is not difficult if you follow these instructions but you cannot expect to achieve a professional standard on your first heat wrap operation unless you follow these instructions carefully.
Because of the cost of heat wrap ties I only use stainless steel tie wire and generally the more ties the better the job.
To use tie wire it is best to have a set of tie wire pliers/ lock wire pliers which makes twisting the tie wire that much easier.

As a rule of thumb I run a length of wrap along the component to be wrapped and then measure off X 6. This works quite well on downpipes, tubular header runners, uppipes and so forth. On a straight length I multiply by 5.

Following the stitch overlap is important to get the best economy of wrap material but check regularly to avoid skips/bare patches on sections you cannot see. Avoid over wrapping. There is nothing to gain and it is wasteful. Following the stitching on the inside of tight bends is not possible.
The wrap should be applied damp but not wet. There are chemicals in the wrap to help it bind and these should not be diluted out. You can use a house plant leaf sprayer or any other water aerosol/spray to dampen the wrap or set a sink tap to a very fine trickle and run the wrap through the trickle quite quickly. In a few minutes the water will have spread evenly throughout the weave. Do not let the impregnated chemicals run out. Keep away from foodstuff.
Wrap from the bottom to the top with the appropriate overlay.
Keep the wrap as tight as possible.

If you want to change direction that is easily achieved by turning the wrap over through 180 degrees. This is useful where there is a change of diameter for instance and helps keep the wrap tight.
Remember that the wrap on the outside of a bend requires more material and therefore the corresponding inside of the bend will have big overlaps and on a tight bend this can be almost 100%.
Do not cut the wrap in to short lengths but try to apply in continuous lengths and certainly 15 feet at a time. Wrapping a section with a single length of wrap results in a neater job.
A 3" open neck downpipe wll generally take three quarters of a roll of wrap done properly.
Remember. Keep it tight.
Tubular headers will take a full 50'.
Tie at the end and then every 3 inches but on curves or corners you can increase the number of ties.
The tie must be applied while the wrap is still damp.
Cut off any strands and loose ends.
When put on the car first there will be a lot of moisture released from the wrap. Do not be alarmed.
On damp and humid days the wrap will absorb moisture so again there will be a lot of steam.
It is quite normal for the wrap to smell for three weeks after applying as it dries through thoroughly.
Wrapped properly it can last for years.

Happy wrapping.

Dawn.
Old 19 January 2012, 08:01 PM
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Have to say. I sent mine off for Harvey to wrap and they were a work of art when they came back. Seemed a shame to put them on the car!

Might as well get one of his famous up pipes while you're at it
Old 07 July 2012, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by harvey
Use the best possible heat wrap you can and done properly it lasts for years.

Guide to heat wrapping.

I have used all the heat wraps I have come across over many years but so far I am settled on DEI wrap because the thermal properties are as good as anything else I have found and better than most. It also has good service life when properly applied. It is close weave so there are no holes when streached. It has a stitch down each side to act as a guide to overlap so it is easy to use and because there is less excessive wrapping, more economical in use.

Heat wrapping is not difficult if you follow these instructions but you cannot expect to achieve a professional standard on your first heat wrap operation unless you follow these instructions carefully.
Because of the cost of heat wrap ties I only use stainless steel tie wire and generally the more ties the better the job.
To use tie wire it is best to have a set of tie wire pliers/ lock wire pliers which makes twisting the tie wire that much easier.

As a rule of thumb I run a length of wrap along the component to be wrapped and then measure off X 6. This works quite well on downpipes, tubular header runners, uppipes and so forth. On a straight length I multiply by 5.

Following the stitch overlap is important to get the best economy of wrap material but check regularly to avoid skips/bare patches on sections you cannot see. Avoid over wrapping. There is nothing to gain and it is wasteful. Following the stitching on the inside of tight bends is not possible.
The wrap should be applied damp but not wet. There are chemicals in the wrap to help it bind and these should not be diluted out. You can use a house plant leaf sprayer or any other water aerosol/spray to dampen the wrap or set a sink tap to a very fine trickle and run the wrap through the trickle quite quickly. In a few minutes the water will have spread evenly throughout the weave. Do not let the impregnated chemicals run out. Keep away from foodstuff.
Wrap from the bottom to the top with the appropriate overlay.
Keep the wrap as tight as possible.

If you want to change direction that is easily achieved by turning the wrap over through 180 degrees. This is useful where there is a change of diameter for instance and helps keep the wrap tight.
Remember that the wrap on the outside of a bend requires more material and therefore the corresponding inside of the bend will have big overlaps and on a tight bend this can be almost 100%.
Do not cut the wrap in to short lengths but try to apply in continuous lengths and certainly 15 feet at a time. Wrapping a section with a single length of wrap results in a neater job.
A 3" open neck downpipe wll generally take three quarters of a roll of wrap done properly.
Remember. Keep it tight.
Tubular headers will take a full 50'.
Tie at the end and then every 3 inches but on curves or corners you can increase the number of ties.
The tie must be applied while the wrap is still damp.
Cut off any strands and loose ends.
When put on the car first there will be a lot of moisture released from the wrap. Do not be alarmed.
On damp and humid days the wrap will absorb moisture so again there will be a lot of steam.
It is quite normal for the wrap to smell for three weeks after applying as it dries through thoroughly.
Wrapped properly it can last for years.

Happy wrapping.

Dawn.
hi Harvey, how much would you charge to wrap my manifold, i have a 2005 WRX newage . or is this something you don't do for customers.
Old 07 July 2012, 02:23 AM
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Send him a pm.
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I have answered your PM and probably given you my phone number.
You are wasting your time trying to wrap headers with the posts and lugs in situ. These act as brackets to hold the heat shields. With them in place you will use more wrap but more importantly in some places the wrap cannot follow the contour of the header and this results in poor heat retention.
If you use cheapo wrap it will fall off prematurely compared with quality wrap properly used ie. DEI heat wrap.
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Originally Posted by harvey
I have answered your PM and probably given you my phone number.
You are wasting your time trying to wrap headers with the posts and lugs in situ. These act as brackets to hold the heat shields. With them in place you will use more wrap but more importantly in some places the wrap cannot follow the contour of the header and this results in poor heat retention.
If you use cheapo wrap it will fall off prematurely compared with quality wrap properly used ie. DEI heat wrap.
Thanks, thread was messaged to you before I sent you the PM. Hence the confusion. I have not once agreed that I will wrap headers with the posts and lugs in situ, because I no nothing about it or how its done, I left all that to you, I was only getting an idea of the costs involved, which you kindly informed me in the PM.
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