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Old 01 May 2017, 11:38 PM
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Apologies if this has been answered, i did a quick lazy search but couldn't find.

Can i still get the 265PS PPP kit or it's current equivalent ?

I have the tailbox on an 05 Blobeye.

I'm based in Telford.

I don't want anything heavier then 265ish.

Thanks in advance.
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I am sure you could find a PPP ECU - however I am not certain on the exhaust configuration on newage cars. On classics the PPP cars had one less cat from standard (just downpipe rather than downpipe and centre section cats).

Your best bet is probably just to get your car Ecutek re-mapped by someone reputable. People are usually advised to change the fuel pump prior - Walbro or Deautschwerks are the two types I know of.

A custom map will net you a very safe 260-270bhp and your car will probably drive more nicely than a PPP'd car. The PPP was a "one-size-fits-all" solution where as a custom map will suit your car specifically.
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Thanks for the advice
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You can buy the PPP kits secondhand and fit them yourself. The main difference is the ECU. But to be honest, unless you are on a really tight budget, a custom map will always be better.
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The contents of the WRX PPP



Back Box, 2nd cat delete pipe, Silicone turbo to Intercooler hose and a remapped original ECU.

First three items can be picked up new or secondhand ( don't have to be Prodrive items)

Remap your ECU with a custom map to suit your individual car ( Prodrive map was generic to suit the many).
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as above, these days probably cheaper to source your own turbo back exhaust, silicone intercooler pipes and fuel pump then have the car remapped (opensource or ECUtek). Doing it yourself and getting the car mapped properly you can also then do away with the uppipe cat which is more likely to break up and eat your turbo than it is to help you through emissions.
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Originally Posted by bludgod
Doing it yourself and getting the car mapped properly you can also then do away with the uppipe cat which is more likely to break up and eat your turbo than it is to help you through emissions.
I've read about this, but how many PPP cars actually lunched their turbos? I thought it was more of a problem when you started pushing higher bhp figures. Other thing is why did prodrive not just delete the uppipe cat and go with the STI configuration of downpipe + midpipe cats. Surely better gains are had this way without the risks you mention.

I'm in the same situation as OP. Already have the backbox but looking at looking at replicating the PPP or nearest equivalent. I believe it's also an insurance friendly mod to say you've just had PPP kit fitted.
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Originally Posted by n1cks
I'm in the same situation as OP. Already have the backbox but looking at looking at replicating the PPP or nearest equivalent. I believe it's also an insurance friendly mod to say you've just had PPP kit fitted.
A mod's a mod where insurance is concerned. Even a dealer-fitted PPP kit, before the car was delivered to its first owner, doesn't count as factory-fitted to insurance companies, so you have to declare it as modified. And since it is clearly modified to gain performance, they will consider it a higher risk.
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Originally Posted by boggissimo
A mod's a mod where insurance is concerned. Even a dealer-fitted PPP kit, before the car was delivered to its first owner, doesn't count as factory-fitted to insurance companies, so you have to declare it as modified. And since it is clearly modified to gain performance, they will consider it a higher risk.
Of course you have to declare it. What I meant was I thought it was a recognised mod in itself i.e no need to list each part as individual mods.
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Originally Posted by n1cks
Of course you have to declare it. What I meant was I thought it was a recognised mod in itself i.e no need to list each part as individual mods.
Only a very knowledgable specialist will know of it. It won't be listed as such. It's just an exhaust and remap for insurance purposes. In fact, all they'll want to know is probably the power increase, which is 20%.
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Originally Posted by n1cks
Of course you have to declare it. What I meant was I thought it was a recognised mod in itself i.e no need to list each part as individual mods.
Ah, I see what you mean, fair point. With my insurance I declared the mods so that their costs could be recovered in the event of a total loss, rather than so they could calculate the premium, which IIRC was the same whatever the mods. I just declared it as a dealer-fitted PPP pack.
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You don't need a PPP specific ECU, it's actually just a map and can be flashed onto your existing ECU in about 5 mins, my Blob Wagons PPP map is in the mapping section and can be downloaded and flashed by one of the guys in there if you ask them nicely.

As above it's a recognised model by insurers so easy to declare and way cheaper and more importantly safer way of upping the power than having your car strapped to a dyno and thrashed to within an inch of it's life by some bloke with a lap top, that may or may not know what he's doing and then taking upto around £750 of your hard earned for the pleasure... oh and if your car goes bang while he's doing it.... or soon after... tuff titty.




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