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Old 25 November 2014, 08:21 PM
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Default Power limitations on MY08-11 STi

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I've recently bought a impreza hatchback STi 330s. So it has the prodrive exhaust and map on it already. I'm wanting to tune the engine abit further and want to find out what people have found the best mods to be to release power safely.

I'm guessing decat and an induction filter. What else would be limiting me from say 380bhp?

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Old 25 November 2014, 08:27 PM
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It blows up at standard power
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
It blows up at standard power
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Old 25 November 2014, 08:39 PM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...-failures.html
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Still wants mapping as I want more power. So if anyone has any helpful advice please let me know. But not you fat Thomas as your too negative
Old 25 November 2014, 09:40 PM
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Just map it mate, if it fails rebuild it. They dont all go bang. No body talks about the ones that have lasted at a certain power.

I have a 2009 hatch sti too. Standard atm forging it in new year!

Get some pics up!
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I got 320 on std turbo induction kit 3" system & sports car If you meed moor you have to get engin. Sorted first
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Old 06 December 2014, 11:00 AM
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Std pistons is your limiting factor as with all 2.5's so anything over 350bhp is pushing the limit
Old 09 December 2014, 09:29 PM
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Thanks Gambit. I have been down to my local tuner (GR Performance) who advise me the same thing. I think I may leave it at the same power for now then can you anyone recommend a piston kit from experience and guide price to upgrade?
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
It blows up at standard power
This.

That's why Innovative Tuning ran up to 750bhp on a 2008 2.5 bottom end with no issues. If it's gonna blow might as well be at higher power!

They also made 400 HP and 570 ft lbs of torque to the wheels from a VF48.
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
This.

That's why Innovative Tuning ran up to 750bhp on a 2008 2.5 bottom end with no issues. If it's gonna blow might as well be at higher power!

They also made 400 HP and 570 ft lbs of torque to the wheels from a VF48.

pure luck it held together, dozens of examples of them not.
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It needs a full rebuild with suitable parts to cope with anything more than around 350bhp.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
pure luck it held together, dozens of examples of them not.
Revved to 8,000rpm too!

Innovative Tuning:

stock Subaru 2.5 STI shortblocks are stronger than many people think. It's not power that's killing most of them, but poor or aggressive tuning, poor build quality, lack of/poor maintenance, and a slew of other issues. After multiple lapping days last fall and a race weekend with NARRA at Watkins Glen, this 2.5 shortblock was far from new, but it got the job done.

Unfortunately we've seen our share of customers come in with blown ringlands on stock cars too. There are some defects and some cars with stock tunes that I feel are causing the problem.

Then there are some cars with aftermarket tunes that are more aggressive than I suggest and may be the cause of failures on almost stock cars.

Then there are cars making 300-400 wheel HP that last a while and some that don't depending on tune, supporting mods, maintenance, driver behavior etc.

Above that how the car is cared for is really important, but I agree it's also somewhat of a crapshoot. Some stock shortblocks are so tight it's just a matter of time before someone builds enough heat make clearances disappear.

I'm ripping this car around a road course so I'm doing long high speed pulls which build a lot of heat, but I'm mindful of that when I tune my car. It's always warm up before I go on track, fluid temps are always totally under control, I change my oil for each track day, etc. so I do what I can.

I mean if you consider that I'm at full boost for around 1 minute per lap on the road course at Watkins Glen, that's like 6 ish drag passes which is more than I would do at a whole track night. Then think of how many on ramp pulls you'd have to do to be at full boost for 1 minute. Then think about me turning lap after lap at a road course. The time at full boost adds up rather quickly this way compared to how the average STI owner drives on the street.
A UK tuner echoed this statement to me not so long ago, and was pretty upset at the 2.5's rep and how owners don't treat it right.

I suppose the real top guys see a pattern in the failures when every other day they have it in front of them.
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even in standard form they let go, so many experiances in that thread about em to just be poor habbits, if that was the case subaru wouldnt be replacing any. wasnt there a guy on there who had 2 go in 8k miles?
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anyone running after market ecu's on hatches, simtec/ syvecs. are you still able to keep sport function buttons
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If you run an aftermarket ecu you can just have switchable maps anyway. The wheel to switch over is something which could be wired up into the new loom syvecs loom for example
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You can have twin maps using the oem ecu on any drive by wire car (2.5), my own car has run at just over 580 flywheel bhp using that (10% meth). And you can even have a flex fuel function now in addition to launch control, flat foot shifting, gear by gear boost settings, auto blip on down shift and gear by gear rpm limits, with full twin maps available as well.

But the thing that breaks ring lands is hitting the rev limiter, you only need to do that once if you are unlucky, and missing a gear will also do it.

To say that the stock 2.5 short engine is resilient is nonsense, its not. Post 2010 blocks are stronger, but in all iterations the pistons are pants.

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Originally Posted by Bob Rawle
And you can even have a flex fuel function now in addition to launch control, flat foot shifting, gear by gear boost settings, auto blip on down shift and gear by gear rpm limits, with full twin maps available as well.



bob
Bob, I have heard about this Flexi fuel option. How do I go about fitting this to the cars existing wiring or is this a mapper fitted item ??

I already rum racerom and had experimented with methanol, it was just a pain in the **** having to remember to switch maps etc
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Originally Posted by rob84
Bob, I have heard about this Flexi fuel option. How do I go about fitting this to the cars existing wiring or is this a mapper fitted item ??

I already rum racerom and had experimented with methanol, it was just a pain in the **** having to remember to switch maps etc
Here you go Rob, it can run on the Syvecs too

http://www.jti.uk.com/product/flex-fuel-sensor/
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Originally Posted by ronjeramy
Here you go Rob, it can run on the Syvecs too

http://www.jti.uk.com/product/flex-fuel-sensor/
ahh cheers
I'm pushing more towards syvecs everyday. seems to do all I need plus I like the idea of the toucan and flexi fuel
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Toucan is way to small for my liking even if it is a nice bit of kit ,, shame it doesn't have a av output so you could display is somewhere else that can be seen more clearly (stereo),,
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