How to get Oversteer for a Newbie ?
27 November 2008, 05:27 PM
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How to get Oversteer for a Newbie ?
im new to my scoob.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
27 November 2008, 08:21 PM
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will 2nd gear power out of a round about do the trick. I can get it pretty much moving sideways, but all wheels evenly tractioned. i.e. no understeer or over steer.
When it goes will it be quite abrupt?The mercs had so much power a little twitch would get them going, however their power delivery was much different to a scoob and ofc rwd.
I guess ill get myself on a scoob ralley day to learn the ropes.
When it goes will it be quite abrupt?The mercs had so much power a little twitch would get them going, however their power delivery was much different to a scoob and ofc rwd.
I guess ill get myself on a scoob ralley day to learn the ropes.
27 November 2008, 10:21 PM
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Did an airfield instruction day, which was superb, and learnt some pretty surprising things about how the car responds. For example, turning sharp left at 80 mph then getting on the brakes - doesn't cause a spin, brings you to a safe stop as long as you don't release the brake again.
Another one - taking the same corner at 70 with one finger on the wheel - the car will automatically steer into the skid for you, which is why you shouldn't grip the wheel to tightly. No-one can react quick enough to catch an unexpected slide much above 60.
And when understeering - reducing the steering angle will actually tighten your line.
And lastly - it's difficult to get a standard WRX to oversteer without doing something fairly drastic.
I highly recommend this:
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Another one - taking the same corner at 70 with one finger on the wheel - the car will automatically steer into the skid for you, which is why you shouldn't grip the wheel to tightly. No-one can react quick enough to catch an unexpected slide much above 60.
And when understeering - reducing the steering angle will actually tighten your line.
And lastly - it's difficult to get a standard WRX to oversteer without doing something fairly drastic.
I highly recommend this:
Car Limits
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27 November 2008, 11:43 PM
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£190 if you have 4 of you and the benefit of doing it in your own car is that you learn its limits, not just how to spin an Elise. Doing it in another car might improve your skills, but it won't tell you anything about what happens in your car when it loses grip.
30 November 2008, 07:22 PM
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Did an airfield instruction day, which was superb, and learnt some pretty surprising things about how the car responds. For example, turning sharp left at 80 mph then getting on the brakes - doesn't cause a spin, brings you to a safe stop as long as you don't release the brake again.
Another one - taking the same corner at 70 with one finger on the wheel - the car will automatically steer into the skid for you, which is why you shouldn't grip the wheel to tightly. No-one can react quick enough to catch an unexpected slide much above 60.
And when understeering - reducing the steering angle will actually tighten your line.
And lastly - it's difficult to get a standard WRX to oversteer without doing something fairly drastic.
I highly recommend this:
Car Limits
Another one - taking the same corner at 70 with one finger on the wheel - the car will automatically steer into the skid for you, which is why you shouldn't grip the wheel to tightly. No-one can react quick enough to catch an unexpected slide much above 60.
And when understeering - reducing the steering angle will actually tighten your line.
And lastly - it's difficult to get a standard WRX to oversteer without doing something fairly drastic.
I highly recommend this:
Car Limits
30 November 2008, 10:03 PM
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I'm going to do another one early next year - getting a few suspension mods this week and want to fully test the differences.
I would say that in addition to the cost, it is pretty hard on tyres, how much is up to you though.
01 December 2008, 11:24 PM
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hi, all the advanced driving type stuff above looks really interesting and a brilliant idea!
I found that a few "classic" situations induced overstear in my wagon;
trail breaking in the wet into a corner that was tighter then i thought brought the back end round very progressively and smoothly but enough that i had to use some opposite lock. Probably don't want to try that one....
The first time was in the wet too (ahem) where i went round a 90degree bend slow but still too fast if you know what i mean, expected understear, got it, lifted and sh@ myself as i got a tankslapper on the go over a small bridge. think i'd only had the car a week, and again i would not recomend you give that exact scenerio a shot!
I have however got power overstear, gain in the wet, out of a tight turn in second gear. only time i tried it deliberately and it worked!
I may laugh but in reality i do take my driving seriously!
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I found that a few "classic" situations induced overstear in my wagon;
trail breaking in the wet into a corner that was tighter then i thought brought the back end round very progressively and smoothly but enough that i had to use some opposite lock. Probably don't want to try that one....
The first time was in the wet too (ahem) where i went round a 90degree bend slow but still too fast if you know what i mean, expected understear, got it, lifted and sh@ myself as i got a tankslapper on the go over a small bridge. think i'd only had the car a week, and again i would not recomend you give that exact scenerio a shot!
I have however got power overstear, gain in the wet, out of a tight turn in second gear. only time i tried it deliberately and it worked!
I may laugh but in reality i do take my driving seriously!
Ash
02 December 2008, 06:49 PM
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I guess power oversteer may require some new arbs. My power out of a corner makes 4 wheel slide rather than back end out if you know what i mean. It just tugs itself round.
Guess the corners are not tight enough. yeah i might go find a quiet roundabout in the wet and see what happens. Or more likley. get myself on the odd skid day.
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im new to my scoob.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
20 December 2008, 08:11 PM
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i had it happen by accident the first time just gave it more power than was needed in second out of a bend, i'd suggest just givin it more power out of a bend in second, but build up to it ,a little more each time till it slides, i'v never done it in the dry ,and each time i did it i just eased of the pedal and traction came back.
i'm going to look into those coarses mentioned above now,
i'm going to look into those coarses mentioned above now,
15 January 2009, 09:57 PM
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You lot should get on the Rocking Skid Training day!
Get your names down. Only 125 quid!
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...-training.html
Yes my driving of the scoob has got alot better. Had a couple of little bits of oversteer, nothing massive. Really fun on the limit surprisingly forgiving. Seems quite easy to catch whatever is happening.
Yes steering input+power = a nice little slide.
Get your names down. Only 125 quid!
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...-training.html
Yes my driving of the scoob has got alot better. Had a couple of little bits of oversteer, nothing massive. Really fun on the limit surprisingly forgiving. Seems quite easy to catch whatever is happening.
Yes steering input+power = a nice little slide.
25 January 2009, 01:34 PM
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Just been out today and pushing a little harder.
I have a good set of roundabouts which are dead and open near me. I find on the roundabouts themselves i just get miles of underseer with **** front tyres, however plenty of beans on the exit it will happily slide. not talking drifting but perhaps half a turn opposite lock. lots of fun.
I have a good set of roundabouts which are dead and open near me. I find on the roundabouts themselves i just get miles of underseer with **** front tyres, however plenty of beans on the exit it will happily slide. not talking drifting but perhaps half a turn opposite lock. lots of fun.
25 January 2009, 01:35 PM
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Bring on Rockingham Skid Pad Day!
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3 Places left in the afternoon session!!
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im new to my scoob.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
I have done some drifting* in a nice Merc sl & Clk but never 4wd and never on the roads.
Just got my scoob, i am yet to push it, and was wondering what circumstances will cause a bit of oversteer and how brutal to spin it would be.
With the merc's it was a case of the right speed with the right amount of power to brake traction, you kinda felt the back end float just before the slide began.
Should i just give it some welly going round a round about and see what happens or is some brave brake turn in power on with a 2nd gear clutch dump reguired?
Counter steer required? I believe the best is to just point where i want to go to avoid a tank slapper.
Im not after fully sideways, just a nice little slide/rear end wiggle to begin with.
*i say drifting, it was just lots of oversteer and the cars werent mine.
me having fun in my sons track car at knockhill.
BE CAREFUL the scoobie can bite back very quickly ,once you master the oversteer ,then try powersliding. keep a well topped up fuel tank when trying this,go to an old airfield or somewhare with a large expance of tarmac. if you get surge beware m8 ,when the power comes back in the front end will ****** you to the right violently .question how were you turning off the traction on the mercs you were driving
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