STi7 engine failures
19 April 2002, 09:41 AM
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Not sure about engine failure, but I am starting to worry about my clutch, which seems to smell a lot.... 
Don't know if it is anything to worry about yet, but never had anything like this on my MY00.
Will mention it at 10k service, unless I see someone else on here with similiar issue.
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Don't know if it is anything to worry about yet, but never had anything like this on my MY00.
Will mention it at 10k service, unless I see someone else on here with similiar issue.
Cheers
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19 April 2002, 10:33 AM
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Clutches can smell if they are slipped, even the slightest bit whilst maneouvering the car, particularly in reverse....they all do that sir I gather.
[Edited by Dave T-S - 4/19/2002 10:34:23 AM]
[Edited by Dave T-S - 4/19/2002 10:34:23 AM]
19 April 2002, 10:36 AM
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No, haven't broken ours
(although the 1.7 bar boost spikes wouldn't have helped, cured it by taking the decat exhaust off and putting it back to standard).
No, haven't broken ours
(although the 1.7 bar boost spikes wouldn't have helped, cured it by taking the decat exhaust off and putting it back to standard).
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19 April 2002, 07:18 PM
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1.7 bar 
Not good Dave
Simon - The clutch on my MY01 used to smell quite a lot too. I wasn't abusing it. Seems to have settled down now. There are quite a few people who will tell you the same thing.
Chris
Not good DaveSimon - The clutch on my MY01 used to smell quite a lot too. I wasn't abusing it. Seems to have settled down now. There are quite a few people who will tell you the same thing.
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19 April 2002, 10:04 PM
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guna test an STi7 next week at cov meet http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...threadid=86896 so i'm sure we'll weed out any trubble
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19 April 2002, 11:15 PM
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Dave, slightly off topic, do you know time scale for release of PPP?, I talked to IM last week, who were very defensive about it, it all seems to have gone very, very quiet
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20 April 2002, 03:37 AM
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See thread entitled "STI Running In" in Scobynet General.
Apparently, the STI 7's engine is particularly vunerable during the run in period. Subaru has issued an advisory that 4000rpm should not be exceeded before 1000miles in the UK STI. I've heard of cases (in Australia) where the JDM STI has had very low-time engine failures, with nothing but a decat exhaust.
This is supposedly due to a piston seizing in its bore. The tolerances are extra fine on this engine to increase power, reduce noise, better consumption etc.
*This is what I've heard. Tho it is unconfirmed, it seems to tie in with factual experience/observations. If anyone has other info contradicting or not, plse correct me.*
Apparently, the STI 7's engine is particularly vunerable during the run in period. Subaru has issued an advisory that 4000rpm should not be exceeded before 1000miles in the UK STI. I've heard of cases (in Australia) where the JDM STI has had very low-time engine failures, with nothing but a decat exhaust.
This is supposedly due to a piston seizing in its bore. The tolerances are extra fine on this engine to increase power, reduce noise, better consumption etc.
*This is what I've heard. Tho it is unconfirmed, it seems to tie in with factual experience/observations. If anyone has other info contradicting or not, plse correct me.*
20 April 2002, 08:47 AM
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Who knows?
If this follows the P1 engine failure situation then you will never get any official word on it to owners.
Good point about the PPP, but as it is only rumour about STi engine failures at the moment I don't have the answer to that one.
The power of the internet being what it is, an unsubstantiated rumour can cross the world in seconds.
This is not belittling anyone who has reported STi engine failures, but it's early days yet and none of us have actually seen a car with an engine failure. From what has been said, it seems to be dealer not customer cars in the UK that have failed and they have been hushed up.
Time will tell....
[Edited by Dave T-S - 4/20/2002 8:51:48 AM]
Who knows?
If this follows the P1 engine failure situation then you will never get any official word on it to owners.
Good point about the PPP, but as it is only rumour about STi engine failures at the moment I don't have the answer to that one.
The power of the internet being what it is, an unsubstantiated rumour can cross the world in seconds.
This is not belittling anyone who has reported STi engine failures, but it's early days yet and none of us have actually seen a car with an engine failure. From what has been said, it seems to be dealer not customer cars in the UK that have failed and they have been hushed up.
Time will tell....
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20 April 2002, 09:30 AM
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I've not heard of any STI7 engine failures directly either..
Since all the cars i've been told about via the rumourmill have been dealer cars I suspect that these cars may not have been run in at all, and just thrashed from new on the thinner runnin in oil
Seeing as Subaru are stressing that the running in process must be adhered to, rather than should be it would follow that this may be the common factor in all the rumoured engine failures. I.e the cars have been thrashed from cold, on the thinner oil and also, maybe not allowed to cool down afterwards properly.
Dealers have now been told to perform the 1000 mile oil change on thier demonstrators as soon as they get them. Maybe this edict came in light of these suspected failure of dealer demonstrators.
In short it's too early to tell, but to cover oneself leave the cars as standard and follow the running in period to the letter.
Since all the cars i've been told about via the rumourmill have been dealer cars I suspect that these cars may not have been run in at all, and just thrashed from new on the thinner runnin in oil
Seeing as Subaru are stressing that the running in process must be adhered to, rather than should be it would follow that this may be the common factor in all the rumoured engine failures. I.e the cars have been thrashed from cold, on the thinner oil and also, maybe not allowed to cool down afterwards properly.
Dealers have now been told to perform the 1000 mile oil change on thier demonstrators as soon as they get them. Maybe this edict came in light of these suspected failure of dealer demonstrators.
In short it's too early to tell, but to cover oneself leave the cars as standard and follow the running in period to the letter.
20 April 2002, 09:41 AM
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Neil,
Even if the dealers have been doing the oil change as soon as they get the cars, I would expect this not to help much as the average demonstrator get's thrashed hard from zero miles and never gets warmed up or down properly.
This is why I would NEVER buy an ex-demo car!!!!
I'm sure that as long as we run our cars in properly, there will be absolutely nothing to worry about.
Matt
Even if the dealers have been doing the oil change as soon as they get the cars, I would expect this not to help much as the average demonstrator get's thrashed hard from zero miles and never gets warmed up or down properly.
This is why I would NEVER buy an ex-demo car!!!!
I'm sure that as long as we run our cars in properly, there will be absolutely nothing to worry about.
Matt
20 April 2002, 11:17 AM
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I Agree m8. I think the treatment of demonstrator cars by those test driving it has more to do with any potential engine failures than any other factor.
But changing the oil to a grade which provides more lubrication than the thinner oil will help the situation a little.
The moral of the tale is I guess. Always run the car in properly, allow time for the oil to heat up before booting it(waaay longer than it takes for the temp gauge to get to the middle), and always leave it at least a minute to cool down after driving it.
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 4/20/2002 11:19:00 AM]
I Agree m8. I think the treatment of demonstrator cars by those test driving it has more to do with any potential engine failures than any other factor.
But changing the oil to a grade which provides more lubrication than the thinner oil will help the situation a little.
The moral of the tale is I guess. Always run the car in properly, allow time for the oil to heat up before booting it(waaay longer than it takes for the temp gauge to get to the middle), and always leave it at least a minute to cool down after driving it.
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 4/20/2002 11:19:00 AM]
20 April 2002, 06:04 PM
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I do and will continue to do oil changes every six months which for me means every couple of thousand miles tops
I'm glad I installed an Oil Temp gauge so that I know when I "have permissoin to thrash"
It's usually at least 15 mins before the Oil is up to temp. I'm just glad I don't live where Dave does 'cos I'd hate to have to waste all those great national roads whilst the oil is warming up. 15 mins for me is about how long it takes me to get out of London which coincides quite well
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I'm glad I installed an Oil Temp gauge so that I know when I "have permissoin to thrash"
It's usually at least 15 mins before the Oil is up to temp. I'm just glad I don't live where Dave does 'cos I'd hate to have to waste all those great national roads whilst the oil is warming up. 15 mins for me is about how long it takes me to get out of London which coincides quite well Matt
21 April 2002, 02:31 AM
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yes the Listers Demo blew not gossip fact. Crank & piston Valves rumour has it.
The cause was inexperience test pilot 4.5krpm in 6th went to change down to 5th to accellerate got 3rd gear. I think it got a bit more than the 1.7 bar spike Dave probably bent Rev counter needle.LOL
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not gossip fact. Crank & piston Valves rumour has it.The cause was inexperience test pilot
4.5krpm in 6th went to change down to 5th to accellerate got 3rd gear. I think it got a bit more than the 1.7 bar spike Dave probably bent Rev counter needle.LOLTony
21 April 2002, 10:32 AM
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Not sure if it is included in the number here - but a demo car has definately blown, piston and subsequent big-end - was not the Listers car.
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