which intercooler to go for
17 January 2005, 10:40 PM
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which intercooler to go for
must be new,i wont cut the bumper,so if its fm it must not need any cutting
i do like the look of the APS tm though . although id probably need a scoop off an sti8 to feed more air into it.
for my00 uk
any other ides / suggestions .
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i do like the look of the APS tm though . although id probably need a scoop off an sti8 to feed more air into it.
for my00 uk
any other ides / suggestions .
cheers in advance
daz
17 January 2005, 11:34 PM
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APS top mount appears to give very good results. Get the one designed for the classic, you might not need an STi scoop, but more air on it has to help. A lot of people also seem to rate the MRT one, although I think less have used it, and there's also the likes of the hyperflow. Two things you're really after - good surface area for cooling, minimal pressure drop of charge over the cooler; if you can get data on both of those features, pick one on statistics
Scoobysport are threatening a new fancy TMIC, but not available yet.
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18 January 2005, 10:54 AM
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I have the MRT TMIC on my UK 97 and I'm very pleased with it.
I run a TD05 turbo up to 1.5 bar and never see more than one green on the knocklink, so it does it's job.
APS is also a superb bit of kit, very well constructed but the MRT one is prettier if you are into underbonnet looks.
Scoop wise I have the MRT 52mm scoop which is 10mm higher than the standard one with no vertical slats in to obstruct flow. It allows 20% greater airflow, but doesn't look out of place, which I think the 03STi style do on a classic.
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I run a TD05 turbo up to 1.5 bar and never see more than one green on the knocklink, so it does it's job.
APS is also a superb bit of kit, very well constructed but the MRT one is prettier if you are into underbonnet looks.
Scoop wise I have the MRT 52mm scoop which is 10mm higher than the standard one with no vertical slats in to obstruct flow. It allows 20% greater airflow, but doesn't look out of place, which I think the 03STi style do on a classic.
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18 January 2005, 11:15 AM
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Theres only one choice for a classic, it's the largest frontmount IC & radiator thats possible to fit on a classic. Both units fit where the current radiator sits. No bumper Cutting required, IC is fed from top and outlet is at the top also so easy to install. Also comes with slimline fans. 
18 January 2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Conrad_Bradley
Theres only one choice for a classic, it's the largest frontmount IC & radiator thats possible to fit on a classic. Both units fit where the current radiator sits. No bumper Cutting required, IC is fed from top and outlet is at the top also so easy to install. Also comes with slimline fans.
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18 January 2005, 02:08 PM
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Only if you turn your manifold round to put the entry at the front do you need to change your aircon. if you route the intercooler pipes round the side like conventional FMIC's then the aircon can stay
18 January 2005, 02:44 PM
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cheers for all the replies lads . . .
ive been searching the threads for a while now but was still undecided
so,i thought id start a new 1 , lol . . .
think its gonna have to be a top mount,APS or avo,great pics phil m8 ;-)
least ive narrowed it down to the 2 now,lol.
ive been searching the threads for a while now but was still undecided
so,i thought id start a new 1 , lol . . .
think its gonna have to be a top mount,APS or avo,great pics phil m8 ;-)
least ive narrowed it down to the 2 now,lol.
18 January 2005, 07:56 PM
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is there any power limit on the aftermarket TMIC's? just wondering as i have an aps TMIC it neaver seems to get hot. its very well made no bent fins, a said above not the prittiest but its functional
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18 January 2005, 08:48 PM
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Power limit of TMIC - Ask AndyF! IIRC he has one (admittedly a somewhat special one), and is running mid 10s at 136mph for the quarter mile 
18 January 2005, 10:26 PM
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Daz.... i'm with Rich as far as the top mounts go. Having seen his MRT first hand (which is basically the AVO) i've got to say it does look a quality piece of kit. I'd go for this above the APS.... and if you give Rich a call i'm sure he'll get a good price on one for you too.
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18 January 2005, 11:01 PM
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The AVO is exactly the same as the MRT item as they are made by the same manufacturer. The big difference is I paid 550 +vat for the Avo from JWRacing. The cheapest I have seen the MRT for in the UK is 800+vat.
19 January 2005, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Conrad_Bradley
Only if you turn your manifold round to put the entry at the front do you need to change your aircon. if you route the intercooler pipes round the side like conventional FMIC's then the aircon can stay
How many hours of labour to install ?
19 January 2005, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tone Loc
Knew they were the same, didn't know there was such a price difference tho . Have you managed to get some charge temps yet from the new intercooler?? Does look very nice
Tony.
. Have you managed to get some charge temps yet from the new intercooler?? Does look very nice Tony.
. I have been off work since just before New Year so have had no excuse really.....back to the grindstone in 12 days 
19 January 2005, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Conrad_Bradley
Theres only one choice for a classic, it's the largest frontmount IC & radiator thats possible to fit on a classic. Both units fit where the current radiator sits. No bumper Cutting required, IC is fed from top and outlet is at the top also so easy to install. Also comes with slimline fans.
Size isn't everything remember
19 January 2005, 11:14 AM
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Andy, how hot to touch was your tmic after the quartermile runs.
didnt mark burn his hand on it?
I will admit, it isn't all about size but I can't deny the performance I have seen so far from the lateral fmic.
didnt mark burn his hand on it?
I will admit, it isn't all about size but I can't deny the performance I have seen so far from the lateral fmic.
19 January 2005, 11:56 AM
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No idea Adam, I personally can't run at 136 mph to get out and feel it and by the time the car had slowed down it would have been stone cold having had all that air blasting through it with zero boost.
I don't doubt the quality of the Lateral kit but what performance have you seen exactly ?
I mean real road/track performance such as professionally timed acceleration runs, not just the questionable numbers from a rolling road/dyno which doesn't take account of lag and pressurisation time for example.
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and by the time the car had slowed down it would have been stone cold having had all that air blasting through it with zero boost.I don't doubt the quality of the Lateral kit but what performance have you seen exactly ?
I mean real road/track performance such as professionally timed acceleration runs, not just the questionable numbers from a rolling road/dyno which doesn't take account of lag and pressurisation time for example.
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19 January 2005, 02:20 PM
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andy.. glad to see your back to your old self..
Ps..get some new brakes then..
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Ps..get some new brakes then..
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19 January 2005, 02:44 PM
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I like the look too.. shame performance of it is similar to a hand drier... if our engines liked warm air and hot water then id buy one tomorrow.
19 January 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by David_Wallis
andy.. glad to see your back to your old self..
David
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Too many new things are touted as being the best thing since sliced bread without having had a great deal of testing. I'm not saying don't go front mount, just that I'm not convinced they have any real advantage over a well designed top mount, especially considering the extra work/cost involved.Andy
19 January 2005, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
Just like to add a touch of reality Too many new things are touted as being the best thing since sliced bread without having had a great deal of testing. I'm not saying don't go front mount, just that I'm not convinced they have any real advantage over a well designed top mount, especially considering the extra work/cost involved.
Andy
Too many new things are touted as being the best thing since sliced bread without having had a great deal of testing. I'm not saying don't go front mount, just that I'm not convinced they have any real advantage over a well designed top mount, especially considering the extra work/cost involved.Andy
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