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29 December 2004, 10:33 PM
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Many people!
What engine block do you have?
I had a stroker kit from Autosportif.
Personally I would use Mark @ Lateral Performance for a 2.2 Stroker.
Why 2.2 though?
For the money I would go with 2.5 block which can be had for circa £1200 complete short block....
Jon.
What engine block do you have?
I had a stroker kit from Autosportif.
Personally I would use Mark @ Lateral Performance for a 2.2 Stroker.
Why 2.2 though?
For the money I would go with 2.5 block which can be had for circa £1200 complete short block....
Jon.
30 December 2004, 07:41 AM
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As popular opinion is swinging away from 2.5 USA short blocks, are 2.2's a bolt-in alternative, or is there a stack of machining to undertake?
Are the 2.5's only 'dismissed' because of people pushing for max power?
The 2.2's are 2 x the 2.5 cost (ish), but deliver what power/torque?
If you take the stock Sti v3 engine as a donor for the heads etc,add tube headers,TD20g,550cc etc and bolt it all together with a 2.2 and 2.5 running ApexiFC and Optimax, what are the relative bhp/lbft of both?
Can a stroker rev to 8000 Sti red line as the 2.5 can't (as supplied)?
Would be interested in people's views.
911
Are the 2.5's only 'dismissed' because of people pushing for max power?
The 2.2's are 2 x the 2.5 cost (ish), but deliver what power/torque?
If you take the stock Sti v3 engine as a donor for the heads etc,add tube headers,TD20g,550cc etc and bolt it all together with a 2.2 and 2.5 running ApexiFC and Optimax, what are the relative bhp/lbft of both?
Can a stroker rev to 8000 Sti red line as the 2.5 can't (as supplied)?
Would be interested in people's views.
911
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30 December 2004, 09:18 AM
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I would say for 400/400 the EJ257 is fine, or another way of looking at it, is for a nice road car with no piston slap or oil usage. Most people don't realistically want more so it is a good choice for many. Beyond that there are doubts.
30 December 2004, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 911
As popular opinion is swinging away from 2.5 USA short blocks, are 2.2's a bolt-in alternative, or is there a stack of machining to undertake?
Are the 2.5's only 'dismissed' because of people pushing for max power?
The 2.2's are 2 x the 2.5 cost (ish), but deliver what power/torque?
If you take the stock Sti v3 engine as a donor for the heads etc,add tube headers,TD20g,550cc etc and bolt it all together with a 2.2 and 2.5 running ApexiFC and Optimax, what are the relative bhp/lbft of both?
Can a stroker rev to 8000 Sti red line as the 2.5 can't (as supplied)?
Would be interested in people's views.
911
Are the 2.5's only 'dismissed' because of people pushing for max power?
The 2.2's are 2 x the 2.5 cost (ish), but deliver what power/torque?
If you take the stock Sti v3 engine as a donor for the heads etc,add tube headers,TD20g,550cc etc and bolt it all together with a 2.2 and 2.5 running ApexiFC and Optimax, what are the relative bhp/lbft of both?
Can a stroker rev to 8000 Sti red line as the 2.5 can't (as supplied)?
Would be interested in people's views.
911
If you use a closed deck block (most 2.2/2.3 do) and uprated rods and pistons then 550bhp and 500+ torque is on the cards with a GT series Garrett. The rpm limit on my 2.3 for example is 8500rpm but I keep it to 8000 as I'm using std Sti5 valve gear. The EJ257 is limited by std pistons/rods to somewhere between 7000 and 7500rpm depending on how brave you are
On the kit you list, ie 20G etc then the power capability is similar on the 2.2 and 2.5. The 2.5 may even be a benefit with regards to torque output at the same level of boost. As JB mentioned for 400/400 with instant throttle response the US EJ257 based 2.5 takes some beating
Andy
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30 December 2004, 10:36 AM
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HKS and Toda Racing do a 2.2 stroker kit.
The HKS one is frighteningly expensive, as i found out when i had one fitted last may. Over 3k for the pistons and crank alone.
Should last me a while though..........
Dave
The HKS one is frighteningly expensive, as i found out when i had one fitted last may. Over 3k for the pistons and crank alone.
Should last me a while though..........
Dave
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can someone please supply me details of who sells this
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30 December 2004, 12:40 PM
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A Jun 2.2 stroker kit arrives on my container from Japan today. Closed deck block, New pistons and rings, steel rods and I believe [ until I see it ] a steel crank.
£3250 plus VAT assembled short motor with sump and oil pump and seals. Heads extra. Much interest but no takers just yet.
David APi Engines / APi Impreza 01926 614333
£3250 plus VAT assembled short motor with sump and oil pump and seals. Heads extra. Much interest but no takers just yet.
David APi Engines / APi Impreza 01926 614333
30 December 2004, 05:10 PM
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http://www.crawfordperformance.com/e...packages.shtml
R0 2.2 CDB USD 3,999 = GBP 2,104 ( at 1 GBP = 1.9 USD ) exc. shipping and tax
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/e..._package.shtml
wonder why ...
R0 2.2 CDB USD 3,999 = GBP 2,104 ( at 1 GBP = 1.9 USD ) exc. shipping and tax
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/e..._package.shtml
Originally Posted by APIDavid
"no takers just yet"
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30 December 2004, 05:55 PM
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Unless you are gunning for max bhp the 2.5 as John describes (400x400)must be the economical solution, and it will stay together it seems.
Only drawback is the rpm limit, but the torque will pull a higher ratio to compensate.
For the 2.2/2.3 there is the fully CDB. Are you sure the Crawford/JUN items arn't the same source?
For the cost of a 2.2 item, the Crawford 2.6 is there ready and landed in the UK?
Anyway, enough of plans for next Xmas, too busy on today's mods....
911
Only drawback is the rpm limit, but the torque will pull a higher ratio to compensate.
For the 2.2/2.3 there is the fully CDB. Are you sure the Crawford/JUN items arn't the same source?
For the cost of a 2.2 item, the Crawford 2.6 is there ready and landed in the UK?
Anyway, enough of plans for next Xmas, too busy on today's mods....
911
30 December 2004, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by David_Wallis
Andy, what determines your rev limit of 8500? (valve springs aside?)
David
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Thats what the Pauter steel rods and CP lightweight forged pistons have been tested at, on the 2.5 Sti crank.....apparently !?!?
I do know that Quirt has a lot of these engines buzzing away in the back of sand buggies, leaping up in the air and sitting on the rpm limiter lap after lap
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Sorry 
Quirt Crawford of Crawfordperformance in the USA. As linked above (and below)
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/e...packages.shtml
Quirt Crawford of Crawfordperformance in the USA. As linked above (and below)http://www.crawfordperformance.com/e...packages.shtml
31 December 2004, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 911
Only in the States would you get a christian name like Quirt!
Except it could have been Quirt B Crawford lVth
Bats You have mail.
Happy New Year All
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31 December 2004, 10:52 AM
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31 December 2004, 03:49 PM
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I know of some of their engines erm.. not working as an engine should.. I dont have PM enabled and not really my place to say..
I'd Stick with an OEM Closed deck block personally.. or do what pavlo did.
David
I'd Stick with an OEM Closed deck block personally.. or do what pavlo did.
David
31 December 2004, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
Closed deck block, New pistons and rings, steel rods and I believe [ until I see it ] a steel crank.
I take it you really meant to say a billet steel crank?
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Originally Posted by David_Wallis
I know of some of their engines erm.. not working as an engine should.. I dont have PM enabled and not really my place to say..
I'd Stick with an OEM Closed deck block personally.. or do what pavlo did.
David
I'd Stick with an OEM Closed deck block personally.. or do what pavlo did.
David
can i ask what sort of qulifications you have to comment negatively about that company??
04 January 2005, 11:25 PM
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Yeah,
Im a MCSE, CCNA, MCP, MCSA, 10 GCSE's and best of all some experience.. I guess you work for them, own the company or whatever, but unfortunatley reputations either make or break a company and I only have bad experiences.
Sorry
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Im a MCSE, CCNA, MCP, MCSA, 10 GCSE's
and best of all some experience.. I guess you work for them, own the company or whatever, but unfortunatley reputations either make or break a company and I only have bad experiences.Sorry
David
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I do as it goes rob.
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(the extra's come from counting a re-sit)
Were GCSE's around in your day rob.. I heard you stopped at Key Stage 3.
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Science 2x C
Maths C
English Lang C
English Lit C
Graphic Design E LMFAO.. why they wouldnt let me do woodwork Ill never know.
Geography C
Business Studies C
Media Studies E - Crap subject that was.. but no, cant do economics and business studies.
(the extra's come from counting a re-sit
)Were GCSE's around in your day rob.. I heard you stopped at Key Stage 3.
David
