Nathan L

As above really, tried to search but couldn't find anything. If this is an old subject please point me in the direction of a thread.

Are there any dfferences in the mapping ? I know they all use the same software but there must be subtle differences.

This map would be for an MY01 WRX.

Thanks

Nathan..

Adam M

yes there are differences, relating to mapping ability, natural understanding/competance, and also experience.

dont mean to be rude, but would be inclined to use brd and scoobysport, purely because scoobysport mapping is done by pat, who in these circles is the closest thing I know to a genius, and brd, is bob rawle, who despite also being very bright, has been doing succesfully for longer than anyone, and that is for a good reason.

Cant comment on John banks, except to say that I know he is a very bright guy, but I have no knowledge of his mapping ability.

PE/steven done developed the software, but that shows nothing abotu their ability to map. They had a bad rep in the past, but to my knowledge the man responsible for all their past engine failures no longer maps. If Merv is mapping I would be far less concerned. They also have the benefit of a gas analyser, but I am still of th impression that cas should be mapped on the road, not on the rolling road.

wos 69

Nothing at all wrong with J.Banks done mine twice, as long
as you don't e.mail him in CAPITALS.!

john banks

THANKS MURRAY

I am not doing the WRX presently (doing STi 7 soon) so that removes one choice. I've not done anything other than 99/00 UK/STi/P1 to date, but the ones I have done have made the right power figures and none of them have blown up. I know Ecutek or PE will not be custom mapping in future from what they have said.

So if you want a custom map for your car it is a choice of Pat (SS) or Bob (BRD). Both will give you excellent results.

If you want a standard performance map you could alternatively go to PE.

For custom mapping all have their individual styles. Some map in a bit of overboost, others shy away. Some run fuelling and timing a bit nearer to the edge than others. Some taper the boost a lot at the top end. A lot of this is preference and intended application along with customer preference. At the end of the day you want to come away with good boost control, with timing and fuelling that are smooth with a judged safety margin that is appropriate to the application. (eg a track nutter might have the map a bit more conservative than a normal human being).

Nathan L

Thanks for the input guys.

John I have heavy right foot, which I don't mind admitting. Ideally I want plenty of power and torque which I don't mind losing a bit of long term reliability for. At the moment I have a PPP and full decat but I can feel flat spots and I'm sure the engine has more. Thats why I would like a custom map.

Thanks again.

Nathan..

LG John

John how would you say your customer mapping compares to others (try to be honest ).

1. Pushing it to the edge.
2. Conservative
3. Other

john banks

LOL.

Nathan, I think you would get good results from getting the boost, fuelling and timing maps done properly for your mods rather than the Prodrive solution.

LG John

Good thing he can't map your car then Andy as your special request would have it mapped to withing 0.0001 of a PSI of blowing up

Nathan L

Lol.

Thanks for the advice.

Deep Singh

Both Pat and Bob have mapped my cars and they are both excellent.Though JB has'nt his knowledge seems to be exceptional

hades

I think another thing worth mentioning is that, I believe BRD maps with a 3 port boost solenoid, if he has started doing the ECUTEK yet (they hadn't in early December when I last spoke to them). More money, but faster acting and hence better boost control. Also check waiting times - last I knew Bob was booked up about 7 weeks in advance, whilst I expect scoobysport and PE aren't as much.

Mine was mapped by Merv at PE and got 284bhp/272lbft with one sports cat and ported headers. I know others who have had good experiences moving to one of his maps from a Prodrive ECU.

Bob Rawle

To clarify ...

I will map a car with or without a three port, yes it costs for the solenoid, apart from that our pricing has fallen in line with everyone else's so no gain's there. I merely suggest the solenoid change based on my own knowledge and experience of its benefits but its not a must, car can be done without but you can't get the same degree of precision into it. As for being booked up that's true, unfortunately not much you can do about that except ask what the leadtime is when you make contact. You may even be suprised at what can be done depending on what the requirement's are. I must be doing something right though due to the high level of interest in some of my more recent work ... almost bordering on "industrial espionage" ... I take it as a compliment and thank EcuTek for making an individual tuners work "invisible" to any other. Since Pat is also part time with Scoobysport they may also have the same time problem, when Pete rang me the other night he did mention being pressed.

cheers

Bob

Dxx

Been reading, sounds good, but do Bob and Pat only re-map EcuTek systems, or can they map all makes of ECU (Motec, Gems, Link etc)??

Dxx

john banks

Have a look at Bob's site from his profile. He also does at least MoTeC and Link, possibly others. Scoobysport AFAIK only do Ecutek for MY01+ cars (UK & STi). Powerstation seem to be the ones for Unichips, Townendgarage for GEMS. All of these suppliers have had excellent reports and you would not go wrong with any of them IMHO.

The hyperlink in Bob's profile doesn't work: http://www.brdevelopments.com

[Edited by john banks - 1/9/2003 9:34:12 PM]

Deep Singh

Bob,'industrial esponiage,recent work,invisible etc' please tell us more!!! Anything I can use?(LOL!)
JB,are you actually familar with Powerstations work? I see you recommending it.

Adam M

any of the mappers will have the ability to understand the fundamentals of mapping.

I know that pat pretty much pioneered the T6 pectel in the impreza road car. Due to his work I now run one, as does mark aigin, pat and moray. He like bob also has experience with motecs and links. Pat only commercially maps ecuteks under scoobysport.

For link and motec tuning, mark aigin is also among the most capable on this board although I dont believe he does this commercially.

john banks

Deep, I don't want to slate anyone on here or anywhere. I have heard only good feedback from Powerstation's Unichip work, but they've not worked on my car. I suspect you might have been a customer, probably not appropriate to discuss on here?

sammyh

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Another vote here for Bob

But I believe whoever you choose you will be happy with the result

Scott W

Another vote for Bob here to!

I've had my car mapped by both PE and Bob as I'm using the Ecutek software. As far as I'm aware PE are trying not to do custom maps for customers anymore, although I may be wrong on this.

After the PE map, my car wasn't running as it should be, and Bob gave up a Friday night for me to pop down so we can log it all on Delta Dash, and make any quick changes that were required. A bigger restrictor and a loan Forge dump valve, as my one was leaking in this case.

Since then Bob has mapped my car and it was just a dream to drive compared to previously, and was only let down by a restrictive exhaust. I've made some mods to the car and will be visiting Bob again soon (who's now given up a Sunday! ) for another map to cater for these.

It's true about Bob's waiting list/lead time but this can only say one thing IMO, that he knows his stuff!

Scott

Scott.T

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Nath & the Guru's....

From memory isn't the MY01 Prodrive Upgrade just a standard ECU with the Fuel-Cut level lifted.
I seem to remember threads on the subject when it was first released.

Hence, why you say you can feel flatspots i.e the fuelling/ignition is still stock WRX.
With all the other mods you have it's probably raring to go

Nathan L

Hi Scott

As you've probrably noticed at the meets it's certainly not a slouch but the flat spots are there. I'm pretty sure you are correct about the 01 ECU. It's beoming frustrating and I'm hoping that a proper custom map will sort it out.

Thanks to those who have posted, it's interesting reading.

Nathan..

Andy.F

His own - 1
Yours - 2
On special request - 3

IMVHO of course

Edited to say, I would choose John cos he's Scottish

[Edited by Andy.F - 1/9/2003 5:04:23 PM]