jonc

"...with Mavericks offered as a free update, will Apple feel any duty to issue security updates for the earlier version of the operating system?

Right now, the signs aren’t looking good. No security updates are showing up in Software Update, or on Apple’s website, for those sticking for a while with Mountain Lion..."

Looks like Apple is to abandon it's Mountain Lion users, in a little over a year since its release too. That's nice!

http://grahamcluley.com/2013/10/appl...urity-updates/

mike1210

Last month even Snow Leopard had security patches, I know this as some of our old servers and labs in my workplace are running it.

Ant

jon, what a bs post thought you would be better than that.


nothing confirmed just what someone may think will happen (which probably wont)

jonc

*GASP* What are you saying??!!, this IS JackClark's eminently knowledgeable and creditworthy friend who's been in the IT security industry for over 20 years don't you know!

mike1210

They may not release any more combi updates (10.8.6 10.8.7 etc), but I would imagine there will be security and application updates for a good while.

dpb

Well that's put me off for life

jonc

You're wrong, just you wait for JackClark to come to his friend's defense!!

neil-h

Would somebody care to pass the popcorn? This should be good.

jonc

It'll be a test of where his loyalties lie, with Apple or with his friend. Not expecting a response if I'm honest!

Galifrey

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But Ant, Jack quotes this guy as gospel as they are friends

Although in fairness, if they offer a free upgrade to the new OS why bother supporting the older one, makes sense to me, microsoft does it all the time with older OS's.

JackClark

You're a sucker. Firstly show me the quote from Apple. I posted a similar thread about a year old HTC phone, it included a quote from HTC.

Secondly, there is an update, and guess what, it's not just a bug fix it's full of fantastic new features, features you'd pay hundreds of pounds for on Windows, unbelievably it's free!

jonc

I'm quoting your industry expert friend, are you saying he's wrong? Is it an update or an upgrade for Mountain Lion? MS do free updates for Windows too.

In the meantime, Apple have published a long list of security flaws that exist in the previous version of OSX that is fixed by Mavericks. The should be nice reading for hackers, not nice for those not upgrading who face the prospect of an unpatched OS with more holes than Swiss cheese.

http://prod.lists.apple.com/archives.../msg00004.html

Galifrey

iTrader: (3)

Er Citation needed, especially the bit about equivalent windows updates costing hundreds of pounds.

JackClark

I posted a link to the Microsoft site earlier. £189.00

jonc

For me to get OSX 10.9 Mavericks for 'free' I'd have to fork out well over £1000.

Ant

Not really as you could get a Mac mini ....

Galifrey

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Well you must be a clown as it is £71.99 to buy the whole new 64bit 8.1 windows.

It is free to Upgrade from windows 8 the previous version, and updates to existing OS's are free so clearly talking **** again.

jonc

Yes really. The Mini comes with nothing, you'd need a keyboard, mouse and display, which when going by Apple store prices makes it nearly £1500 for a basic 2.3ghz i5 dual core with 4gb ram and 500gb storage. That's pretty poor spec given the price.

neil-h

Well on that logic for me to get Windows 8 would cost me over £700. Now I know where i'd rather spend my money

jonc

You could spend £700, but you could also get a laptop with Win8 pre-installed for under £270 from PCWorld, plus you'll get free updates for Win8 and also a free upgrade to Win8.1.

JackClark

I'm a clown, hardly, here you go fool. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...ctID.272001400 that'll be the official Microsoft site.

neil-h

On the basis you said OSx would cost you 'over a £1000' then I can only presume we're talking like for like machines. So the fact you can get windows on a £270 machine is fairly immaterial.

Also, Apple give free updates and you get a free upgrade from 10.8 to 10.9 (or mountain lion to mavericks if you prefer). So tbh i'm not entirely sure what you're on

BLU

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Just upgraded my Mac to Mavericks for free

JackClark

No, no, not possible, that upgrade cost you £1600

Ant

Ahh I see what you did there.

We'll you can get it a lot cheaper by not buying a new monitor by apple or using your old one.

So for about £800 you could get a compete Mac mini setup

BLU

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I just nearly spat my coffee out (all over my Mac )

JackClark

Take off another £100 for the mouse and keyboard, you can get a standard PC one in the pound shop.

neil-h

But that wouldn't prove that all Appe products are a rip off

jonc

No, you are of course quite right, £899 is a stupidly ridiculous amount to pay for a computer monitor. £800 for a computer is better, but still poor for what you get for your money.

My point is you can be up and running from scratch with a brand new PC surfing the web, emailing, playing games, do your university thesis etc and have access to the widest range of software available for a massively smaller outlay that you can with a new Mac. OSX is already priced into Apple's device much like Windows PCs and the 'free' upgrade (though it's not been confirmed by Apple that they will continue with the 'free' upgrades in the future) is not that free when the cost of previous upgrades were insignificant to the overall total cost of ownership. The savings had from a Windows PC can pay for many upgrades or even a brand new PC in a few years time and still leave you with cash to spare. Getting a free OS upgrade is not going to persuade me to buy a Mac and I very much doubt it will for the vast majority of people looking to buy a PC.

bioforger

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rofl £50 for a mouse and £30!! for a keyboard, you isheeps are nuts